Geist 2.0 Kickstarter


  • Pitcrew

    Byeeeee $25.00.

    I can't really afford a hardcopy anyway and from what I've read so far, I ain't that hype yet. This can change between now and the 31th though.

    But it's still Geist, man. Geist, sweet Geist....


  • Pitcrew

    The video doesn't really do it justice, at least not for me. But good golly, there's $50 from me. I can't wait, this will be good.

    That inner voice inside of me though is saying with a scowl "I do wonder the legality and binding of terms on the bottom of the description page on a Kickstarter in which no one has to actually read/confirm before they purchase."

    Shut up, inner voice. I've already given them our money.



  • @coin said in Geist 2.0 Kickstarter:

    @wizz said in Geist 2.0 Kickstarter:

    @admiral said in Geist 2.0 Kickstarter:

    RE: Changeling - From what I heard, they axed the head writer and filled it with a bunch of alt-right edgelord stuff.
    At least, that's what David Hill said.

    Sauce?

    I'd assume David Hill, who is active and vocal on FB.

    I just spent a very interesting hour on my life catching up on all this OPP drama I had no idea existed but explains a heck of a lot, at least in the sense that it's sometimes easy to forget these games are produced by people in a very small industry and that people are messy and gross, which can cause bigger disruptions than you'd expect. Huh.

    ETA: "Bigger disruptions than you'd expect" is probably a pretty dumb way to say what I meant. Harassment, trans/homophobia, sexism, racism, etc. are not OK and do genuine harm. I guess I mean to say, because it's easy to sometimes forget the faces behind the books, I wanted to ascribe the delays to these fantastical get-away hobby books to technical difficulties and not real-life shittiness and that it's the latter is disappointing.


  • Pitcrew

    @coin Okay, from what I heard from the people involved (David Hill among them), David Hill's issue were not with OPP, but with White Wolf and Paradox entertainment, who are not the same thing but do hold the rights to ChroD that are licensed to OPP. His issue wasn't with the production of Changeling directly, except that it's now being published under a license to people who hire people like Zak Smith (who, according to Hill, organized a harassment campaign against himself and his family).


  • Coder

    Someone in another thread said that Zak Smith is no longer involved in WW nor Vampire 5e.

    True? Not true?

    --

    I heard about the "alt-right edgelord" stuff for Changeling too, but I'm taking a wait-and-see approach. Right now that waiting means I'm not supporting Onyx Path at this time. Sorry guys.


  • Pitcrew

    @thenomain I haven't heard on any word that Smith has been involved in anything beyond their text game. (Where, yes, the game included a trans vampire named Avery, after he drove trans RPG developer Avery Alder, writer of Monsterhearts, out of publishing for some time.)

    I don't know about alt-right edgelord stuff in Changeling, personally. When Hill left the spot, according to his own account on rpg.net, it was over the fact that White Wolf/Paradox would hold final approval over all the material he wrote, while being willing to hire ZakS (and releasing a new edition of a short story anthology, published with the name of accredited sci-fi/fantasy editor and convicted child molester Ed Kramer on the cover).


  • Coder

    @insomniac7809 said in Geist 2.0 Kickstarter:

    after he drove trans RPG developer Avery Alder, writer of Monsterhearts, out of publishing for some time

    ...Why?

    I suspect that the answer is that Zak Smith is a professional troll, but I'm always willing to be disappointed in assuming that some people are jerks for the lulz.


  • Pitcrew

    @thenomain said in Geist 2.0 Kickstarter:

    @insomniac7809 said in Geist 2.0 Kickstarter:

    after he drove trans RPG developer Avery Alder, writer of Monsterhearts, out of publishing for some time

    ...Why?

    I suspect that the answer is that Zak Smith is a professional troll, but I'm always willing to be disappointed in assuming that some people are jerks for the lulz.

    I don't know. He hates her for some reason, that seems to be enough.

    Although, for what it's worth, he doesn't seem to be transphobic in the general sense. He pulled his podcast off the Escapist because it gave transphobes airtime. But if he has issue with a specific transperson, deadnaming and harassment start popping up.

    Not really a defense, just getting facts clear for the sake of a) accuracy, and b) preemptively in case a bunch of people show up talking about how they've never heard of Zak Smith but he sure does sound handsome and successful and do we know for sure he had anything to do with the people he dislikes getting death threats in the mail. (This happens a lot.)

    ETA: Okay, so according to what I've found, Alder... removed a stretch goal from a kickstarter that would have been written by a friend of Smith's, over the friend's defense of Smith's previous harassment campaigns.