Upvote vs Downvote Question



  • Yeah, but again, not very limiting.


  • Pitcrew Banned

    @EmmahSue That just kind of makes the reputation system an echo chamber. If you and your clique think someone is a shithead, you can just downvote everything they post so that their opinion matters less in the system. It's basically a hardcoded version of everything wrong with MU*s/Chats.


  • Coder

    Without a sorting system, or a score-based ignore system, there's no more echo-chamber than a bunch of people posting "+1".

    Also, hyperbole win.



  • Well, whomever followed me around downvoting me didn't migrate over, so that's a plus? >> And honestly, I think it was easier to code without it than to have it in.


  • Reader

    It may be worth discussing, as a group, what the downvote is for. Is it for disagreement with content (I don't happen to think MU are overly toxic in all cases, but does that mean I downvote Anon when he says so)? Or is it for disapproval of tone and approach (Ie: ye olde BigBad acting like a jackass in the wrong forums with huge pictures)?

    It's a question for the community at large, not just Admin to decide. I think the rep-system can be useful if handled lightly and with understanding by all those involved, but if folks are agin' it with the passion of a thousand burning suns, then by all means present your case. :)

    ES



  • I don't think the reputation system adds much, and having people begin to focus on it (and to crow about their negative reputation) reminds me of Bane.


  • Coder

    @EmmahSue said:

    It's a question for the community at large, not just Admin to decide.

    You take all the fun out of this, you know.



  • @Thenomain said:

    @EmmahSue said:

    It's a question for the community at large, not just Admin to decide.

    You take all the fun out of this, you know.

    You're starting to understand the truth!


  • Politics

    @EmmahSue said:

    It may be worth discussing, as a group, what the downvote is for. Is it for disagreement with content (I don't happen to think MU are overly toxic in all cases, but does that mean I downvote Anon when he says so)? Or is it for disapproval of tone and approach (Ie: ye olde BigBad acting like a jackass in the wrong forums with huge pictures)?

    It's a question for the community at large, not just Admin to decide. I think the rep-system can be useful if handled lightly and with understanding by all those involved, but if folks are agin' it with the passion of a thousand burning suns, then by all means present your case. :)

    ES

    It's a poinless question to ask, though, unless you have some way of monitoring why someone downvotes and why they don't. I mean, we can discuss it, and it might even be fun; but people are going to do it for their own reasons and often on a whim anyway.



  • @Anonymous said:

    @Glitch Oh I know they weren't concerned with MU*s/WoD, I'm just stating their likely reasoning and of course why it simply doesn't apply to us.

    Yes. "Us." Heh.


  • Pitcrew Banned

    @EmmahSue Since it's impossible to enforce, the reality is that up/down voting is like/dislike. It's like Plebbit, but written in NodeJS.


  • Reader

    I was working with the idea that we'd discuss it, and then... trust each other to follow it, more or less. If only a few people do otherwise for whatever reason, whether purposeful jackassery or accidental or whatever, it isn't going to off-set the roughly 350 users total.

    ES



  • @EmmahSue said:

    I was working with the idea that we'd discuss it, and then... trust each other to follow it, more or less. If only a few people do otherwise for whatever reason, whether purposeful jackassery or accidental or whatever, it isn't going to off-set the roughly 350 users total.

    ES

    That might be true. I don't think it is though.

    Upvoting is obvious. Agree, like, whatever. Downvoting though should be used more sparingly, I think, especially if it's anonymous. It's incredibly difficult to see if it's just that one asshat following you around downvoting all of your stuff, Without that in place, I'm not sure that the reasons for downvoting are really a substantial discussion, as anyone can justify nearly any anonymous behavior for any rational reason that they choose, even if it wouldn't make sense to most other people. WIthout some way to monitor that, you could very well have those two or three people who engage in chronic retaliative downvoting, and as a whole, they could easily have a far greater impact on the reputation system than the occasional upvoter.

    Reputation systems might seem like a popularity contest, and maybe they are, but popularity/reputation serves something of an important function. It shows who is established, and gives a baseline for how well-respected people's opinions are for new users. One of the first things I did here was look at by-post and by-reputation user lists, @arkandel and @coin being in the top two spots in both places. And then I found out that I knew both of them later, and understood why. Their opinions are ones that I respect even outside of the forums, so it makes sense to me that they would be highly ranked.

    With that in mind, without some kind of way to force people to take credit for downvoting someone, I would take the suggestions from the NodeBB people. Either set the downvote threshold very, very high, or simply hide the downvote button in the custom CSS field.



  • I'm still on the side of who cares about downvotes. Sometimes it seems people just don't like you and will downvote. Remove them and they still don't like you.

    I downvote when I'm past 'hmm I disagree' and move into 'oh helllllll no'. I'll just start leading in my disagreements with oh hell no, and then you'll know I downvoted.

    I even upvote people I don't personally care for. I may not like them but sometimes they're reasonable.



  • @Derp

    It shows who is established, and gives a baseline for how well-respected people's opinions are for new users. One of the first things I did here was look at by-post and by-reputation user lists, @arkandel and @coin being in the top two spots in both places.

    Man, I made it into the top 5 posters, top 3 reputation,, and apparently have the highest ratio of posts to upvotes (edging out @Ganymede only barely).

    I can only assume that

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  • @HelloRaptor

    Duh. That's why everyone loves you, you gruff sumbitch.



  • @Derp said:

    @HelloRaptor

    Duh. That's why everyone loves you, you gruff sumbitch.

    Or it just means nobody should pay attention to reputation metrics and people who do deserve every ounce of disappointment that comes their way.

    I mean, you cited @Coin as someone with a respected opinion, and he thinks Power Rings letting you talk while traveling at light speed is the line to draw in the sand. Clearly, your formula for interpretation leaves much to be desired. :(


  • Politics

    @HelloRaptor said:

    @Derp said:

    @HelloRaptor

    Duh. That's why everyone loves you, you gruff sumbitch.

    Or it just means nobody should pay attention to reputation metrics and people who do deserve every ounce of disappointment that comes their way.

    I mean, you cited @Coin as someone with a respected opinion, and he thinks Power Rings letting you talk while traveling at light speed is the line to draw in the sand. Clearly, your formula for interpretation leaves much to be desired. :(

    Go grow some boobs, asshole. XD



  • @Coin

    On his body? In his garden? In a vat of some kind?



  • @Coin said:

    @HelloRaptor said:

    @Derp said:

    @HelloRaptor

    Duh. That's why everyone loves you, you gruff sumbitch.

    Or it just means nobody should pay attention to reputation metrics and people who do deserve every ounce of disappointment that comes their way.

    I mean, you cited @Coin as someone with a respected opinion, and he thinks Power Rings letting you talk while traveling at light speed is the line to draw in the sand. Clearly, your formula for interpretation leaves much to be desired. :(

    Go grow some boobs, asshole. XD

    I'm never letting go of that, @Coin. Not ever. :sparkling_heart:


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