Can RP be art?


  • Pitcrew

    I already regret this, but I am curious what folks think. Obviously not all RP is artistic or aims to be, but I feel, and have for nearly 2 decades (I blame White Wolf) that it certainly can be.

    When I run a scene, I try and do my best to at least capture and evoke moods and images. If it is a horror game, I want to disturb and make the players a little uneasy.

    Not going to write a long OP here, just getting thoughts.



  • No.


  • Pitcrew

    Whenever I see a "Can blank be art" I get a slight tick. Art is completely subjective. Literally ANYTHING can be considered art. Take a shit, snap a photo...bam...art (to someone).



  • It's as artful as groups of friends getting together to jam with instruments. I mean, the bar is pretty low for what can be thought of as art these days. Artist is essentially a meaningless word these days the idea's been diluted so much.


  • Pitcrew

    @DnvnQuinn - Since there is literally a blog devoted to the artistic quality of the dick pic, I concede your point.


  • Politics

    @tragedyjones said in Can RP be art?:

    @DnvnQuinn - Since there is literally a blog devoted to the artistic quality of the dick pic, I concede your point.

    The art is in the photography of the shit and/or dick, not the shit and/or dick itself. Just sayin'.


  • Pitcrew

    @Coin said in Can RP be art?:

    @tragedyjones said in Can RP be art?:

    @DnvnQuinn - Since there is literally a blog devoted to the artistic quality of the dick pic, I concede your point.

    The art is in the photography of the shit and/or dick, not the shit and/or dick itself. Just sayin'.

    Counterpoint: My dick is a work of art.

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  • Pitcrew

    Totally. It's collaborative writing, and writing can be art.


  • Politics

    @tragedyjones said in Can RP be art?:

    @Coin said in Can RP be art?:

    @tragedyjones said in Can RP be art?:

    @DnvnQuinn - Since there is literally a blog devoted to the artistic quality of the dick pic, I concede your point.

    The art is in the photography of the shit and/or dick, not the shit and/or dick itself. Just sayin'.

    Counterpoint: My dick is a work of art.

    And I've seen photographs of the Mona Lisa that look like shit.


  • Pitcrew

    @Coin said in Can RP be art?:

    @tragedyjones said in Can RP be art?:

    @Coin said in Can RP be art?:

    @tragedyjones said in Can RP be art?:

    @DnvnQuinn - Since there is literally a blog devoted to the artistic quality of the dick pic, I concede your point.

    The art is in the photography of the shit and/or dick, not the shit and/or dick itself. Just sayin'.

    Counterpoint: My dick is a work of art.

    And I've seen photographs of the Mona Lisa that look like shit.

    But have you seen dickpic.png?


  • Politics

    @tragedyjones said in Can RP be art?:

    @Coin said in Can RP be art?:

    @tragedyjones said in Can RP be art?:

    @Coin said in Can RP be art?:

    @tragedyjones said in Can RP be art?:

    @DnvnQuinn - Since there is literally a blog devoted to the artistic quality of the dick pic, I concede your point.

    The art is in the photography of the shit and/or dick, not the shit and/or dick itself. Just sayin'.

    Counterpoint: My dick is a work of art.

    And I've seen photographs of the Mona Lisa that look like shit.

    But have you seen dickpic.png?

    Your mom has.


  • Pitcrew

    I more like the question do RPers try to make art. All jokes aside, and people's goals notwithstanding, unfortunately I find that most people don't try.


  • Pitcrew

    @Ide said in Can RP be art?:

    I more like the question do RPers try to make art. All jokes aside, and people's goals notwithstanding, unfortunately I find that most people don't try.

    I suppose then, I should ask: SHOULD they try?



  • @Roz said in Can RP be art?:

    Totally. It's collaborative writing, and writing can be art.

    I've been in scenes where I felt the same creative rush I feel when I'm in a really good writing groove. A very, very few scenes. I could probably count them on my hands with fingers to spare, and I've been doing this for 15+ years. But they're what keeps me coming back.

    Is that 'art'? I don't know. I think the comparison to a jam band with friends in a garage is a good one. Or one of those 'wine and painting' classes. You are not creating high art, but you're doing something creative and fun, and that's enough most nights.


  • Politics

    This question is essentially the same as:

    Is improv theater art?
    Is fanfiction art?

    And the answer is: probably to someone.


  • Pitcrew

    I think it's important to try some of the time. First, it's more fun and interesting IMO. You're pushing boundaries and trying different things. Second I think you get better at what you're doing faster when you're doing it with some intention, and there can be more satisfaction in doing something well.



  • Yes. Creative writing and improv are both 'arts', and RP can be both those things.

    My issue with RP is that it is usually in a setting not your own, and so it feels to me a bit like an expenditure of creative energy with nothing 'lasting' to show for it, if that makes sense. Fun, though!

    *edited because there's a pretty big difference between "improve" and "improv", STUPID BOARD SPELL CHECK.


  • Pitcrew

    I think that it could be easily defined that way, and likely is to someone. I do not personally feel like I am creating art, and I'm not ever going to bother to try, that's not why I'm here. I'm here to make and have fun.



  • Yes.



  • Sure it's art, in the same way that Henry Darger's 15,000 pages of obsessive stories about and collages of little girls with penises is art.



  • Is it by default? No.

    Can it be? Yes.

    People get confused as fuck-all about what is and isn't art. Even self-professed artists.

    1. It doesn't have to be good for it to be art. There is, obviously, bad art.

    2. Some of what is and isn't good or bad art is subjective. Some isn't. There is objectively good and objectively bad art.

    3. Whether you like it or not doesn't define whether something is good or bad art.

    4. What you like and what you don't like defines your personal taste, which is a trait attached to you, not the art.

    5. The art can be good even if you dislike it. The art can be bad even if you love it.

    6. There is unquestionably artistry involved in the creation of a game, a scene, or a pose.

    7. Some people are objectively better artists than others in this regard.

    8. This will still, going back to the matter of taste, not really mean a hell of a lot in the long run. Good art will be ignored, bad art will be adored, mediocre art will be abhored, and any and all combinations of the above, all at the very same time. Sometimes by the very same person in the same head.

    There's a specific artistic principle one of my profs hammered into our heads (or more accurately, tried to hammer into heads but it didn't stick unless people intuitively understood it already) regarding 'level of finish' that I think the hobby could learn a fair bit from. Unfortunately, he was a great teacher, and he couldn't explain it in a way people could understand, and I am a crappy teacher, so I don't think that's a tangent I'm qualified to go off on. :/


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