Constructive (keyword) Criticism of Arx Systems

Wizz

@arkandel said in Constructive (keyword) Criticism of Arx Systems:

But please don't underestimate the value of being able to speak freely. I don't mean it for Arx but in general. While shitposts and unprovoked personal attacks are a sad consequence of it, there's a big upside of both being able to say what you want without looking over your shoulder and reading what people outside of your personal circle think of your grand plans.

I'm not, for sure. My critique of the forum is more in line with @Roz's, I just honestly don't think we're the place for big, constructive, positive discussion anymore. I used to really want to lean into that hardcore here myself, especially right after WORA closed, and I struggled with how people (including myself, the more time I worried about it and let my frustration grow and let it become a personal channel for venting about things like everyone else) made it very clear that that's not what the board's primary purpose is. I've made my personal peace with it and for what it's worth maaaaaan it's fine, this place can be that place!

@roz said in Constructive (keyword) Criticism of Arx Systems:

For the record, I don't think that staff is planning on pulling out from ALL THE ARX THREADS here or something. Just -- as @Arkandel said, MSB is not well-equipped for this kind of really dense system discussion, and I know it was getting pretty discouraging for staff just because of the way MSB discussions can get stuck on one particular issue and circle around it forever and not have a bigger picture to compare it to. There's the publicly accessible Github now, and yeah you'll have to make an account to chat there, but it provides a much better venue for being able to get into specifics, to have different issue threads on different topics and ideas and projects, etc.

Sorry if I made it sound like I was saying YAY THEY'RE GONE, that def wasn't my intention either. I get that they're still here, I just think less professional involvement (or whatever you want to call it, being here specifically as Arx staff and not just as themselves) by whatever degree is a positive, in my very personal and obviously very humble opinion I think they have been here a little too strongly lately specifically as staff responding to critical blahs about the game, that's all. That just takes a toll, we all know that.

Thenomain

@wizz said in Constructive (keyword) Criticism of Arx Systems:

I'm not, for sure. My critique of the forum is more in line with @Roz's, I just honestly don't think we're the place for big, constructive, positive discussion anymore.

“Anymore”?

I will frankly derail this conversation right off the bridge and into the ravine:

I don’t think ANY discussion about Arx on this board has ever been that constructive, and certainly not focused long enough for someone to decide it’s not a discussion to have. This is the closest I’ve ever seen, and I will outright blame high emotions and high egos from making it so.

Sure this board isn’t good for conversations for any considerable length or depth, but there is something hot button about saying the word “Arx” that makes it more likely to fail than almost any other topic, sure as hell more than any game.

Except that once where @faraday asked for system input and even after repeating twenty times the kind of input she wasn’t asking for someone kept wringing her over the coals about it.

That was fun.

I think we’re kind of on the same page for the most part, but now this thread is about whether or not we’re talking about things.

That’s fun.