Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.
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@GreenFlashlight said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:
I'm really not getting what the great injustice is here.
Then why are you still going on about it?
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I'm old. I like to remind younger people of how terrible they were when they were younger than they are now in the hopes that they will treat now's kids nicer than older people treated me when I was the dumb kid answering the phone. I am now the grandma that asks about your day when I call in. It makes literally everyone's life better, and I get way better service, too. I have given up worrying whether or not they think I'm stupid. They don't care. They just want to not get yelled at.
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@Tinuviel said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:
@GreenFlashlight said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:
I'm really not getting what the great injustice is here.
Then why are you still going on about it?
Because I want to understand and I keep hoping someone will explain it in a way that makes sense to me if I ask questions that refine the argument down in terms I can understand, since I have tried in the past leaving it at "I don't get it" and getting either no answer or someone saying something like "that's okay, people who get it get it" rather than helping.
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@GreenFlashlight Alright, I'll explain it.
- We don't know the person was lying intentionally, most of the time they have a script they have to follow. So we're not blaming them for the BS.
- If you want to blame the BS on someone, blame it on the people actually in charge rather than the poor bastard on the phone.
- It's not a big deal. Nobody is making it a big deal. But you seem to think it's being treated like a big deal.
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'It' is that there is no great injustice, I just happen to have a peeve, too. I spoke my opinion. Me speaking my opinion does not make for an injustice.
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@Tinuviel said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:
We don't know the person was lying intentionally, most of the time they have a script they have to follow. So we're not blaming them for the BS.
This confuses me because Sunny upvoted this post despite saying to me, earlier, that "he was just following orders" does not apply and saying he just said something stupid, which all suggest to me that means his words are his responsibility. But in either case, does intention matter? It was still a lie whether he meant it to be or not.
If you want to blame the BS on someone, blame it on the people actually in charge rather than the poor bastard on the phone.
So... he was just following orders?
It's not a big deal. Nobody is making it a big deal. But you seem to think it's being treated like a big deal.
I apologize for seeming to think it's being treated like a big deal. I will try to calibrate my readings of the arguments on these boards accordingly.
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@GreenFlashlight said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:
It was still a lie whether he meant it to be or not.
No.
@GreenFlashlight said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:
This confuses me
I don't care.
@GreenFlashlight said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:
So... he was just following orders?
I'm going to assume you're just ignorant, but that particular phrase has a very specific reference. The rest of us call it "doing as he's told." You know. Like every entry-level schmuck does.
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Yeah, if you meant 'just doing as he's told' as the meaning you meant by 'just following orders', then yes. I prefer 'doing his job', in this case.
ETA: Also I missed this until now but please do not make any assumptions about my opinions based on my upvotes because you clearly don't know enough about me to come to the right conclusion, @GreenFlashlight.
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@Tinuviel said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:
@GreenFlashlight said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:
This confuses me
I don't care.
Then please do not waste my time with false offers to explain things to me; though I suppose it's a little funny you'd lie to me in the same discussion you try to tell me what is and isn't a lie. Not side-splitting or anything, but worth a smile, so thanks for that.
@Sunny said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:
Yeah, if you meant 'just doing as he's told' as the meaning you meant by 'just following orders', then yes. I prefer 'doing his job', in this case.
I chose "just following orders" because I believe it applies here; that we must not blame him for the outcomes of his actions because someone else told him to take those actions. Phrasing it differently feels like a euphemism to me and I dislike using euphemisms, since they seem to exist to obfuscate.
ETA: Also I missed this until now but please do not make any assumptions about my opinions based on my upvotes because you clearly don't know enough about me to come to the right conclusion, @GreenFlashlight.
Was it unclear from my phrasing that I was confused and was asking for clarification? Like, did me saying the words "this confuses me" and "which all suggest to me," spoken to someone who claimed he would explain it, not indicate I am asking for help to understand? If so, what phrasing would you like me to use in order to more accurately convey that I am confused and looking for clarification? I am willing to modify my behavior if you have suggestions.
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We are now comparing this CSR to literally Nazis for a stupid comment that was made.
Yeah, so, I guess whatever you need to tell yourself in order to sleep at night after abusing customer service reps, but I am so done with this entirely disingenuous discussion.
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@GreenFlashlight said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:
Then please do not waste my time with false offers to explain things to me; though I suppose it's a little funny you'd lie to me in the same discussion you try to tell me what is and isn't a lie. Not side-splitting or anything, but worth a smile, so thanks for that.
I did explain. That you didn't understand is no longer my fault. As for 'what a lie is' it's simple. A lie is a deliberate mistruth. Deliberate.
@GreenFlashlight said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:
Phrasing it differently feels like a euphemism to me and I dislike using euphemisms, since they seem to exist to obfuscate.
Except that phrase very much is a euphemism.
@GreenFlashlight said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:
I am willing to modify my behavior if you have suggestions.
Alright. Then stop making this thing a fucking issue. Two people disagree about something, and you're the one making it a big deal. Nobody owes you an explanation, as you weren't part of the initial conversation. So if you ask for help, don't act like a smug or entitled prick.
But fine, I'll try again.
First, this doesn't matter. It's two peeves coming into conflict. That doesn't matter. It isn't important. Nothing written here actually matters. Okay? Okay.
Second, nobody here knows all of the facts about any of this so making judgement calls based on next-to-no information is unhelpful.
Third, if one is trained to say "this is the reason" then one will say "this is the reason." If you have never been told, or learned, anything different that is not a lie, even though it is wrong.
Fourth, this shit still doesn't matter. At all. Stop asking about it. It doesn't matter. And don't try to be condescending, I do it far better than you.
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Wait are you assholes defending customer service people lying to others by saying 'They are just doing their jobs?'
...hahahaha. What a load of crap. If your job requires lying to people, -you made the decision to work at an immoral position and are to blame for your immoral actions-. Period. Full stop. Do not pass go. Do not collect 200 dollars.
If the only way you can think of to do your job is to lie to people, even though it's not technically required by the company? You are liar. You are a shitty fucking liar. Period.
Quit defending this kind of asinine behavior. It's a real peeve of mine when people justify shitty actions by saying 'Well it isn't a big deal'. Micro-bullshit creates piles just as big as the macro, people.
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...or you're dumb and believed some dumb thing some other dumb person told you.
Considering this makes up probably at least half of all human experience, uh.
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You people and your instant leap from "providing incorrect information" right to "lying liar that lies" is fucking fascinating.
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@Tinuviel Providing incorrect information knowingly is the definition of lying.
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@Tinuviel said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:
@GreenFlashlight said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:
I am willing to modify my behavior if you have suggestions.
Alright.
No. I was not speaking to you, nor inviting your advice. Not after that despicable display where I asked you to please help me understand and you lied to me that you would, luring me into trusting you only to rip that gratitude away out of a despicable, pathetic need to demonstrate your intellectual superiority over a random internet stranger who just wanted help understanding something you could have explained by now but actively refuse to.
I cannot adequately convey to you how upsetting or hurtful that is. I can only say that I feel ashamed of myself for thinking you would possibly be kind to me; my skin is burning with the shame of being so stupid as to fall for the trap you were setting from the beginning, and I am focusing on that a lot right now because it is easier to deal with than any of the rest of what I'm trying to process.
Please do not speak to me again. I want nothing more to do with you.
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jesus christ what is happening right now, is this really about one silly tech support call
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@GreenFlashlight said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:
have explained by now but actively refuse to.
I have explained it. Twice. Using the simplest words I could muster.
You're reading far, far too much into my motives. I explained, you acted like an entitled fuckskull, I explained again, and now you're whining like an entitled fuckskull.
@Admiral said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:
@Tinuviel Providing incorrect information knowingly is the definition of lying.
Yes, it is. Knowingly is the key point. You're assuming malice where there is no proof of malice.
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@Roz said in Real World Peeves, Disgruntlement, and Irks.:
is this really about one silly tech support call
No.
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