@demiurge said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

@foxstevenson said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

@demiurge said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

@faraday said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

That is really not conveying the same stance you're putting forth in this thread. In virtually every other MU game out there, pushing unwanted romantic fantasies or bigoted attitudes ICly - the types of things you've expressly said you're OK with - would in fact be considered "obnoxious". So players are going to expect you to deal with that unless you clearly state otherwise up front.
A lot of folks don't want to come onto a game and be assailed with hatred and harassment - even ICly. If you want an unfiltered environment, that's your prerogative. But what you've posted vs. what you're saying you'd tolerate is virtually guaranteed to result in dramatic meltdowns.
Create the type of environment you want to see. We're all just trying to help you stave off drama based on A TON of experience with this sort of issue.

That's fair, but expecting a broad ban on "bigoted attitudes" does, as a matter of fact, amount to expecting literally everybody to be a PC progressive not just OOC, but IC. I know this upsets some of the users here, but classifying the attitudes of about half of the U.S. population, or the attitudes of a duly-elected U.S. President, as "obnoxious" enough to be unacceptable in a roleplaying environment is... a bit much. To put it politely.

So, I've arrived at a decision for a litmus test on what qualifies as "too obnoxious": you can't realistically imagine the President (that's Trump) saying it. If it's too offensive for Trump to say, then I'm likely going to ban it on obnoxiousness grounds.

I get the need for some control on content, but too much control can ruin a game even worse than no control at all. So this is a fairly balanced conclusion.

bangs gavel so ordered :^)

Have you, ya know, actually listened to the things that man has said?

Yes. And a lot of them are very upsetting to a lot of people. But I've decided I'm not going to forbid the views of large segments of the U.S. population from having an IC presence in my game. I'm sorry.

Alright. Well, good luck with your game then.

As a note, So there is full disclosure,

I took this game over for a friend, and I wanted to do the best I could to help keep it alive. However, I failed, that friend and the players. I did what I thought needed doing, hiring on new staffers, pushing rp and stories, getting in new coders and it just wasn't going to work. I pushed back switching to 2.0 and changing things, and who knows what the nail was, but running a game is an interesting and stressful experience and I've learned a lot from it.

@demiurge said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

@faraday said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

That is really not conveying the same stance you're putting forth in this thread. In virtually every other MU game out there, pushing unwanted romantic fantasies or bigoted attitudes ICly - the types of things you've expressly said you're OK with - would in fact be considered "obnoxious". So players are going to expect you to deal with that unless you clearly state otherwise up front.
A lot of folks don't want to come onto a game and be assailed with hatred and harassment - even ICly. If you want an unfiltered environment, that's your prerogative. But what you've posted vs. what you're saying you'd tolerate is virtually guaranteed to result in dramatic meltdowns.
Create the type of environment you want to see. We're all just trying to help you stave off drama based on A TON of experience with this sort of issue.

That's fair, but expecting a broad ban on "bigoted attitudes" does, as a matter of fact, amount to expecting literally everybody to be a PC progressive not just OOC, but IC. I know this upsets some of the users here, but classifying the attitudes of about half of the U.S. population, or the attitudes of a duly-elected U.S. President, as "obnoxious" enough to be unacceptable in a roleplaying environment is... a bit much. To put it politely.

So, I've arrived at a decision for a litmus test on what qualifies as "too obnoxious": you can't realistically imagine the President (that's Trump) saying it. If it's too offensive for Trump to say, then I'm likely going to ban it on obnoxiousness grounds.

I get the need for some control on content, but too much control can ruin a game even worse than no control at all. So this is a fairly balanced conclusion.

bangs gavel so ordered :^)

Have you, ya know, actually listened to the things that man has said?

@demiurge said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

@foxstevenson said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

@demiurge said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

@faraday said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

That is really not conveying the same stance you're putting forth in this thread. In virtually every other MU game out there, pushing unwanted romantic fantasies or bigoted attitudes ICly - the types of things you've expressly said you're OK with - would in fact be considered "obnoxious". So players are going to expect you to deal with that unless you clearly state otherwise up front.
A lot of folks don't want to come onto a game and be assailed with hatred and harassment - even ICly. If you want an unfiltered environment, that's your prerogative. But what you've posted vs. what you're saying you'd tolerate is virtually guaranteed to result in dramatic meltdowns.
Create the type of environment you want to see. We're all just trying to help you stave off drama based on A TON of experience with this sort of issue.

That's fair, but expecting a broad ban on "bigoted attitudes" does, as a matter of fact, amount to expecting literally everybody to be a PC progressive not just OOC, but IC. I know this upsets some of the users here, but classifying the attitudes of about half of the U.S. population, or the attitudes of a duly-elected U.S. President, as "obnoxious" enough to be unacceptable in a roleplaying environment is... a bit much. To put it politely.

So, I've arrived at a decision for a litmus test on what qualifies as "too obnoxious": you can't realistically imagine the President (that's Trump) saying it. If it's too offensive for Trump to say, then I'm likely going to ban it on obnoxiousness grounds.

I get the need for some control on content, but too much control can ruin a game even worse than no control at all. So this is a fairly balanced conclusion.

bangs gavel so ordered :^)

Have you, ya know, actually listened to the things that man has said?

Yes. And a lot of them are very upsetting to a lot of people. But I've decided I'm not going to forbid the views of large segments of the U.S. population from having an IC presence in my game. I'm sorry.

Alright. Well, good luck with your game then.

@demiurge said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

@faraday said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

That is really not conveying the same stance you're putting forth in this thread. In virtually every other MU game out there, pushing unwanted romantic fantasies or bigoted attitudes ICly - the types of things you've expressly said you're OK with - would in fact be considered "obnoxious". So players are going to expect you to deal with that unless you clearly state otherwise up front.
A lot of folks don't want to come onto a game and be assailed with hatred and harassment - even ICly. If you want an unfiltered environment, that's your prerogative. But what you've posted vs. what you're saying you'd tolerate is virtually guaranteed to result in dramatic meltdowns.
Create the type of environment you want to see. We're all just trying to help you stave off drama based on A TON of experience with this sort of issue.

That's fair, but expecting a broad ban on "bigoted attitudes" does, as a matter of fact, amount to expecting literally everybody to be a PC progressive not just OOC, but IC. I know this upsets some of the users here, but classifying the attitudes of about half of the U.S. population, or the attitudes of a duly-elected U.S. President, as "obnoxious" enough to be unacceptable in a roleplaying environment is... a bit much. To put it politely.

So, I've arrived at a decision for a litmus test on what qualifies as "too obnoxious": you can't realistically imagine the President (that's Trump) saying it. If it's too offensive for Trump to say, then I'm likely going to ban it on obnoxiousness grounds.

I get the need for some control on content, but too much control can ruin a game even worse than no control at all. So this is a fairly balanced conclusion.

bangs gavel so ordered :^)

Have you, ya know, actually listened to the things that man has said?

Obviously, a Fallout experience is something that speaks to me a great deal, so, if I could be of help, I will put my name in the hat.

If you need a hand with this still, I've been playing and GM'ing SR since 3rd edition. I've got ALL the books, and I do mean, ALL of them. I also currently GM a weekly 5th ed table top game.

As a note, So there is full disclosure,

I took this game over for a friend, and I wanted to do the best I could to help keep it alive. However, I failed, that friend and the players. I did what I thought needed doing, hiring on new staffers, pushing rp and stories, getting in new coders and it just wasn't going to work. I pushed back switching to 2.0 and changing things, and who knows what the nail was, but running a game is an interesting and stressful experience and I've learned a lot from it.

I would have loved to keep the doors open and continue. I really wanted this to succeed, but player log in's dropped to pretty much 1-2 people a week. So, I made the call. Was my first time running a game and I'm sure I made mistakes, but I really wanted this to be a great place for people to play. Oh well.

Keep Austin Wyrd has shut down. -FS

One other note, we are planning on moving to 2.0 across the board, but it's going to take some time and might require a full code re-write. -FS

Baring some situations I was having with the confirmation email, I thought I'd put my two cents in here as the current HeadStaffer for KAW. Pretty much everything stated in the last thread about us is still true, as well as what thebird posted at my request. We're small, but still alive and very much wanting to move forward. The potential for large meta plots, staff events, and even spheres added via future "expansions" (so to speak) to the game world are all on the table. If you have any questions, just ask, and we look forward to seeing you.

-FS