Cyberrun
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You two win. You are both 100% correct. Consider me corrected and educated. Let's leave these places alone and let them face their own risks.
Delete the Hog Pit. It'll be fun.
I really don't understand He-Man -
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You two win. You are both 100% correct. Consider me corrected and educated. Let's leave these places alone and let them face their own risks.
...Wow, only roughly four pages in to our usual round of "Ghost doubles down, triples down, and then fucking quadruples down against all comers rather than just admit he's being wrongheaded about something."
Hmmm...
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@Wizz lol
Sure, I'm wrong about not being okay with pedophiles.
Clearly I'm not in the "Hey, guys, why don't we as a community do what we can to keep the pedophiles out of it?" corner of the hobby because it's apparently wrong to kinkshame simulated child fucking.
But alas, this was clearly a failed attempt to generate opposition to online pedophilia. Best of luck!
Delete the Hog Pit. It'll be fun.
I really don't understand He-Man -
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But alas, this was clearly a failed attempt to generate opposition to online pedophilia. Best of luck!
No, this was a failed attempt to generate opposition to a kind of thing you don't like. A paedophile isn't going to go hunting for children on a game restricted to adults. And a child sneaking on to a game restricted to adults, a game with a significantly high barrier to entry simply by virtue of its niche nature, isn't going to then pretend to be a child.
If you want to stop paedophiles, look at the games that explicitly allow under-age players - if such games still exist, and watch out for the red flags there. That's where you're going to find them.
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@Wizz lol
Sure, I'm wrong about
I'mma stop you right there.
That's not really your goal here. Your goal, as usual, is to make this issue about yourself -- in this particular case, "I AM THE MOST NOT-A-PEDOPHILE ON THE FORUM, FITE ME."
Nobody here is on the fence about pedophilia, dude. But your ego is denser than a dying sun no matter what the topic of conversation so, again, you're missing the point by miles and it's exhausting.
Rather than join in with the much more patient souls trying to explain it to you, I'm going to encourage and challenge you to really flounce off as you've loudly stated you will be doing now. Cool off on the subject for a few days, and then come back and actually read the actual responses you've gotten, because it's clear you've been...hell, even saying you skimmed them is giving you the benefit of the doubt.
This is a very emotionally charged area of discussion for a lot of people for very good reason, but that can and does cloud judgement and comprehension at even the best of times. You will be doing yourself a favor to try and give the previous posts another pass, rather than alienating and attacking everyone else for no reason.
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Nobody here is on the fence about pedophilia, dude
I mean... I'm in the camp of "paedophilia is a mental health condition, child molestation is the crime." But that's just semantics in a conversation like this.
He/Him
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For my part, I've had an acquaintance since we were teens who was a self-indentified pedophile who struggled against it very publicly as a mental illness for most of his adult life. He's in a healthy adult relationship now, and he's successful and doing well. I'm not ashamed to say I am proud of him, even if I can't say I've always felt that way. I understand how complicated everything about the subject is.
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If you want to stop paedophiles, look at the games that explicitly allow under-age players - if such games still exist, and watch out for the red flags there. That's where you're going to find them.
Absolutely this. Its funny this thread came up again, after a while back in the New Blood thread I mentioned that the worst case of someone likely to commit statutory rape IRL I've ever encountered (and one where the authorities probably should have been alerted, but fuck, what info do you have?) was on an AAA MMORPG, ie a space that is specifically friendly to all ages. I think that's worth repeating here.
On MUs? Everyone is RPing taboo shit. We've managed to stop with the 'rape fantasies = enjoy rape IRL,' so I guess this is the newest iteration? I personally don't want to RP fucking children, but accusing people who toe the adult-teenager line in RP of being RL pedos is a bit much. Esp when you catch say, most ex-Firan players or any number of other games with teenage settings with that one.
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I realize that in this thread at least your stance is more anti-pedophile than pro-child-protection, which is a perfectly valid stance but no one here seems to be advocating for pedophilia in the slightest. But for you and anyone else curious, if you view the page source on Cyberrun's homepage, you'll see:
<meta name="rating" content="restricted">
<meta name="rating" content="adult">Now, of course, the onus is on parents to make sure that they have some sort of parental blocker on their child's computer that will catch on these tags - or better yet, that they're monitoring their child's internet-usage personally in some form.
For anyone curious about how sites like Google use these tags
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Nobody here is on the fence about pedophilia, dude
I mean... I'm in the camp of "paedophilia is a mental health condition, child molestation is the crime." But that's just semantics in a conversation like this.
It's actually a pretty important distinction, considering that most child sexual abusers aren't pedophiles. They're opportunistic predators who have access to children, limited oversight, and an organizational culture that views them as more valuable than their victims. There's just a certain number of human beings who, when given power over people and an organization they know will support them, tend to exploit and abuse those people physically, emotionally, economically, and sexually.
What you do to identify and treat pedophiles and what you do to identify (and more importantly, stop) the typical child sexual abuser are actually very different, and when we focus on pedophiles over who's actually abusing kids, it's actively detrimental to being able to teach people what to look out for and how to address abuse within their organizations (whether those are families, churches, schools, sports teams, etc.)
It's sort of the same reason that the 'Stranger Danger' nonsense from the 80s wasn't very effective - because most people who abduct and abuse children //aren't// strangers.
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I think a lot of people on this thread defending the game on the grounds of "kids can't play here" are missing the point.
Adults can play there. Adults who, thanks to this game, have a safe space to explore their child-rape fantasies and build up further justifications in their head for why child-rape is actually normal and OK. Justifications like "they're an old soul", "this child is actually really mature for their age, more mature and wise beyond their years than many adults I know", through the metaphor of "it's an 18 year old in an 8 year old's body". Or "this isn't abuse because I was abused and I know what actual abuse looks like" — said by literally every abuser ever, ugh.
I was a kid too once, I had a fancy education, was ahead of my class, and physically developed, both in terms of height and sexual attributes, much faster than most of my peers.
I was still a kid in terms of emotional maturity as much as I never would have let any boring old grown-up tell me so at the time. Something that took adulthood for me to look back on and grapple with as I evaluate all the ways in which I, thinking myself so smart and savvy and mature and capable for my age, allowed myself to be taken advantage of by people who validated all of these incorrect notions of my younger self.
This game is super fucked up. Sorry not sorry. And even if you don't agree or don't see what the big fuss is about letting people play "sexually mature" children to live out their darkest fantasies through on this game, I still just have to wonder why this is the hill you choose to die on. Why can't you just listen to the criticisms and think, 'OK, that's a fair point. Maybe I don't fully understand it but as an adult attracted to adult bodies anyway, it's not a big deal for me to just make/play a game that focuses on that to be on that to be on the safe side.' Unless there's a specific reason you're fighting so hard to defend your "right" to indulge in child-rape fantasies?
And to everyone on this thread acting like paedophilia is something we can all agree on and that we should just assume no one here actually thinks paedophilia is OK: wow, you are sheltered.
Just because people don't go around waving "proud paedophile" flags doesn't mean we don't live in a culture that normalises the sexualisation of children and tacitly accepts it, or that we as a society do remotely enough as is currently to protect children from sexual abuse and exploitation. This stuff is happening around you, every single one of you reading this. You know paedophiles in real life. You know children who are currently being sexually abused. You know adults who were abused as children. Just because you don't see it, aren't aware of it, don't know you know such people doesn't mean it isn't happening, doesn't mean a lot of the people discreetly trying to normalise the mental/behaviour patterns aren't harbouring ulterior, pro-paedophile motives in doing so.
Kinks don't exist in a vacuum. I know, because I have some that I'm not proud of. (Thank fuck not that one.) I used to be proud of it, I used to think it was normal, I used to actively indulge it on text-games and IRL. Thankfully I'm now seeing a solid therapist who's prompted me to think critically about why I think these things are sexy, what was the first time I came into contact with it, what's the reason I think these things are OK and normal and what kinds of relationships/behaviour does that foster between me and others. It's not a fun thing to face up to. It's not easy to work on. But everyone should think critically about these things for not only their sake but for the sake of others.
In the case of people who are into "ageplay" and child-rape fantasies, for the sake of kids you interact with — work on yourselves. Don't indulge it, don't just fall into the trap of thinking this is fine and safe and normal. You're protecting your maladaptive coping mechanisms at the expense of your actual safety, and the safety of those around you.
Games like this also do not exist in a vacuum. Pop culture does not exist in a vacuum. Nothing that normalises questionable tastes/behaviour, be it the abuse of adults or children, should be left unquestioned.
So I question this game and the people who see nothing wrong with indulging in child-rape fantasies, I really do. I worry about the children that they have access to. Much as I question media that fetishises the abuse of women, or normalises bigoted stereotypes, and the kinds of people who produce or exalt it.
Peace.
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@RDC said in Cyberrun:
I will echo anecdotally what @Pyrephox said. My abuser showed no signs of being a pedophile. Just very willing to take advantage of an already-abused child who desperately wanted to think someone loved him (and, in the face of what in retrospect was complete asexuality - desperately wanted to think he was "normal", IE, heterosexual). And who was protected by a society who saw male child + adult woman as a net win for the male child. The problem is not, as others have said, people writing taboo porn together online. It's kids getting abused. But keep focusing your anger on people who don't pass your purity test instead of people who hurt kids. It shows us EXACTLY where your "priorities" are.
Just because one heap doesn't smell as foul as the other doesn't mean they're not both shit. Or that since we want to be rid of one, we should tolerate the other.
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I think a lot of people on this thread defending the game on the grounds of "kids can't play here" are missing the point.
I think that if you think we're defending the game, at all, then you're missing the point.
He/Him
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I mean, I've been lurking and reading.
Honestly, it does sound like some people are defending the game by saying that at least this is an outlet without there being an actual crime? If it isn't that then I need some arguments restated.
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@silverfox said in Cyberrun:
Honestly, it does sound like some people are defending the game by saying that at least this is an outlet without there being an actual crime
That's not defending the game.
ETA: That's also not, from what I can remember of this conversation, the main thrust of any arguments.
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@Tinuviel This.
I don't see anyone supporting the game here. (Maybe Pandora? But frankly I don't really see her going on about how great it is, either, and am not going to put those words in her mouth.)
Again, we're seeing conflation of 'condones and supports pedophilia and is clearly ignorant in regard to it' being directed at people working in legal cases regarding it and survivors of it, and similar, simply because they're not screaming bloody murder at the same volume as Ghost.
Sorry, but that isn't how logic works. That's not how anything works.
