@spitfire said in Hog Pit as read only:

The benefit of the Hog Pit, as seen with more recent games, is that when someone does rant on about some aspect of the game, we have the benefit of having others who were involved come in and provide context or an alternate viewpoint on what had happened.

Generally speaking I would tend to agree. Although you also have counter examples where you have someone posting on here rejoicing about something they did to someone on a game, getting a bunch of their friends to dogpile about that, and basically trashing someone on here with distorted accounts of reality while the victim themselves has no ability to counter what is being said about them because the victim doesn't have an account here (and they successfully intimidate anyone from speaking out against them because, well, then they'll be next).

Of course, most (if not all) of that cadre is now banned from here, so maybe that won't be an issue going forward.

@kanye-qwest said in Hog Pit as read only:

@phaedrus I'm still here! PS (pspspsps), a lot of it was noticing your attempts to skirt around the game rules for new characters twice. Also, the copious amounts of other people who reported you, like Glitch, one of the founders of this forum

But go off, I guess, if it makes you feel better.

Maybe you'll get upvotes from those still very upset about people not liking them over a decade ago. Find your own clique to call home.

What's funny is, and I realize that that's not necessarily a requirement, not one of these "reports" was every brought to my attention at all, or anyone saying "Hey, don't make sarcastic comments on an OOC channel". Which, you know, might have helped (at least with the other concerns).

As far as skirting rules for new characters "twice", the first was really just a question, and once told the rule, I said ok. The second was expected to be well within the rules the entire time, and I had been told repeatedly it was fine to lay the ground work for things as long as the actual irrevocable part was later (the rule in question, dear reader, was about forming relationships during the first three months of having the character - which is a very sensible rule that I was very much happy to follow).

At the end of the day, though, no one told me when I took that character that he was reserved for his IC sister, which is fundamentally what the whole issue was in the first place, and led to all of this regrettable offense. If I had known that, I'd have stayed away and just played a nice quiet character that didn't have nearly the rigorously imposed RP demands on him. And who knows, maybe I could have continued to play there to this day, stimulating RP and running events that (at least to those who spoke to me directly or publicly) people seemed to really enjoy.

As near as I can tell, aside from having an acerbic reaction to things on OOC channels and daring to want my character to have relations outside of his IC sister, I didn't actually do anything outside the pale there. But, again, it is what it is.

And no, I don't need a clique to survive. I came to that game as the first time returning to MUSHing after a long absence, and it was nice to get the MUSH muscles out again. And also see that OOC politics and cliques still rule some games. Had I had forethought (and known this place existed before you and your cadre spent pages of posts trashing me) I'd have probably avoided a place that has such a long thread about how awful it is. It'd have been better for my mental health.

But, as I said, I've grown as a person since then. And learned some lessons. Most notably - don't take a character whose IC sister will do anything she can, ICly and OOCly, to prevent from having a relationship or a marriage because no one else is allowed to have him. As I said, that character needs to have a warning label attached.

@kanye-qwest said in Hog Pit as read only:

@phaedrus I'm still here! PS (pspspsps), a lot of it was noticing your attempts to skirt around the game rules for new characters twice. Also, the copious amounts of other people who reported you, like Glitch, one of the founders of this forum

But go off, I guess, if it makes you feel better.

Maybe you'll get upvotes from those still very upset about people not liking them over a decade ago. Find your own clique to call home.

What's funny is, and I realize that that's not necessarily a requirement, not one of these "reports" was every brought to my attention at all, or anyone saying "Hey, don't make sarcastic comments on an OOC channel". Which, you know, might have helped (at least with the other concerns).

As far as skirting rules for new characters "twice", the first was really just a question, and once told the rule, I said ok. The second was expected to be well within the rules the entire time, and I had been told repeatedly it was fine to lay the ground work for things as long as the actual irrevocable part was later (the rule in question, dear reader, was about forming relationships during the first three months of having the character - which is a very sensible rule that I was very much happy to follow).

At the end of the day, though, no one told me when I took that character that he was reserved for his IC sister, which is fundamentally what the whole issue was in the first place, and led to all of this regrettable offense. If I had known that, I'd have stayed away and just played a nice quiet character that didn't have nearly the rigorously imposed RP demands on him. And who knows, maybe I could have continued to play there to this day, stimulating RP and running events that (at least to those who spoke to me directly or publicly) people seemed to really enjoy.

As near as I can tell, aside from having an acerbic reaction to things on OOC channels and daring to want my character to have relations outside of his IC sister, I didn't actually do anything outside the pale there. But, again, it is what it is.

And no, I don't need a clique to survive. I came to that game as the first time returning to MUSHing after a long absence, and it was nice to get the MUSH muscles out again. And also see that OOC politics and cliques still rule some games. Had I had forethought (and known this place existed before you and your cadre spent pages of posts trashing me) I'd have probably avoided a place that has such a long thread about how awful it is. It'd have been better for my mental health.

But, as I said, I've grown as a person since then. And learned some lessons. Most notably - don't take a character whose IC sister will do anything she can, ICly and OOCly, to prevent from having a relationship or a marriage because no one else is allowed to have him. As I said, that character needs to have a warning label attached.

@spitfire said in Hog Pit as read only:

The benefit of the Hog Pit, as seen with more recent games, is that when someone does rant on about some aspect of the game, we have the benefit of having others who were involved come in and provide context or an alternate viewpoint on what had happened.

Generally speaking I would tend to agree. Although you also have counter examples where you have someone posting on here rejoicing about something they did to someone on a game, getting a bunch of their friends to dogpile about that, and basically trashing someone on here with distorted accounts of reality while the victim themselves has no ability to counter what is being said about them because the victim doesn't have an account here (and they successfully intimidate anyone from speaking out against them because, well, then they'll be next).

Of course, most (if not all) of that cadre is now banned from here, so maybe that won't be an issue going forward.