Is there a reason why this can't be 4e for the time being? Considering the book is only in beta, and large amounts of content and plot details are going to be different or changed.. I can't see the benefits of doing the 5e version over 4e, at this point in time.

Maybe when the book officially comes out, but even then.. a few expansion books would be needed imo to really flesh everything out.

Adapting a 4e character to 5e appears much easier on the surface then I give it credit for. Choose high or low stats (or averages) to make the rings, skills transfer over.. etc.

A good analogy is something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2zTrMf4eH4
TLDR- Player gets invited to game he doesn't understand. He commits some errors in thegame which requires a high level of understanding (both in terms of culture and mechanics) and is killed in the first session by another player. (L5R) They even use that same level of fucked up justification that is being used by the people on this thread to justify smacking down new players.

Amusingly Armageddon is almost exactly the same in every aspect for newbies. By the defenders own admission the theme can't bend even slightly to put up with new players, you just kill them and punish them instead. If there was open ooc communication on game, this might be somewhat fixable with ooc informing new players to be more careful in their interactions... The current round about system relies on the player popping onto a discord- a system of communication outside of the game- and requires a player not to still share ooc information. So if the noble is pissed off at you, its considered not acceptable to say to them, hey oocly, what'll get me out of this alive and not beaten up, I'm new here and don't know what to do? That shit is highly discouraged, and depending on how the question is phrased.. against the rules, which we all know new players will know how to exactly turn the question into a legal one.

but nope, opaque system with poor communication somehow thinks its justified to have a intense culture of punishment for those who step out of line. This is in a game with perma-death. If they are lucky to survive, they soon suffer a deprived existence due to poor communication from staff and the community on how they can come back. Yurp, nothing fucked up with that at all. You know whats great? Being punished for ignorance, and then told that their ignorance is all their own fault, and they suffer the consequence... in an environment they are more or less naive about.

Also I'm not an old crochty player, I'm one of those new players.. who did thorough research of the setting. I bought the core book, and everything. Yet I still got fucking shat on because I didn't know which player was which and didn't know to avoid walking into a certain noble. (Again a Karma/Approval required role.) And even after being fucked over, was still willing to play until I got stone walled by staff who refused to help me figure out how to fix my shitty situation. I didn't ask for hand outs, but basic information. Why would any new player play a shitty game like that? Ever?

My roommate invited me out to Eid al-Fitr to the local mosque- about I think two years ago from now? Which if you do not know, is sort of the one of the two major Islamic holidays, this one ending after Ramadan, with feasting ,big celebrations, and gift giving. (Depending on the culture/nation).

Anyway, being a poor terrible college student, I went, free food? Fuck yah. Also going alone is often weird, so I figured his invitation was what he needed to justify going himself. (He doesn't go to the mosque ever, after all.) Anyway, dress up, red button up shirt, jeans, look fairly nice, but not too formal. Not as formal as everyone else there, but hey.

We get there, there is food, mmm lamb. Anyway, while waiting in line for the food- a small child of about 3-4 years of age approach me, and at this time, asks me, "Hey are you Santa Claus." Which is by far the most adorable and hilarious question I have ever been asked.

That is a great memory.

Whatever Tempest. I beat a unicorn rider in the topaz championship without a single rank in riding skill in the riding competition.

And out wrestled a dragon without a rank in hand to hand.

God that was the funniest shit ever in that game. The horses though, my god.

As a fabeled and stupid Gorilla, I'll help run shit. I guess, and help with theme.. blah blah.

I maintain that I was totally going to win that until my luck ran out.

Was totally in first place too until the fuckin duel.

For those interested- atm things have stalled, probably going to have to restart from square one. Sorry.

Send a message if you want to keep working on this project, but I need to find a team with dedication to work with. All that fun shit.

Anyway, sorry for the general bad news- D-bone.

The RPI system definitely has merits, but I am still skeptical about the culture of this RPI game, even though the most dangerous staffer has been removed from their position.. I wonder about the lack of transparency that is conducive towards a healthy game environment.

I basically quit the gae after one day of play because staff refused to answer a basic question that my character would icly know- after I intoned that my character basically had been robbed of all his newbie money. Oh and then got urinated on, and beaten up. Even after doing everything correctly, hey I rolled with those punches but to then get stonewalled by staff so I couldn't get back on my feet..

wewt. TLDR: If you are looking for a blast for the past in MUSH staffing policies, give Arma (and many an rpi) a try. All the systems are intentionally opaque and staff secrecy, spying and cliquishness is not only allowed, but often approved!.

Consented to being beaten up. Not the urination which happened the instance I was 'awoken' and not given a.. hey you into piss play too btw? Which again.. the robbery happened in the middle of town, by a noble, so.. yak now.

As for the fact that there are currently two new staffers there a that are nice.. thats great. The problem remains- Armageddon has historically and consistently had a transparency problem- and as new staffers are hired- the next Nyx will no doubt ingratiate himself. Thre have been eras of good staffing on Arma before, the game is over a decade old after all, but becuase the games staff culture is opaque, players won't know when they are transitioning to the next round of tyranny until it literally is sitting on top of them, and they can't get their petitions approved etc.

So what Arma needs it sounds like isn't players from Mushes... but fucking staffers who actually understand concepts of transparency and ethics. Lmao.

@Hedge Arma isn't unique in many of these things- most staff are not transparent on RPIS or what goes on behind the scenes- Arma I just know is the worst, by far.

First proposed solution- a who list where staff can't be invisible, all staff that are online must be publicly announced an online at the time. The mere fact that a player will never see when or which staff is online is insane, and a great source of mistrust for most of the playerbase. That alone is a step in the RIGHT direction. Give em tags if you want, Idle, Working, Observing, available, but they need to be fucking public. (For those of you uninitiated in RPI's, all staff are dark 100 percent of the time, and faceless)

Necroing this thread to draw attention to the recently announced plans of Paradox's WW.... for 5e.

They don't want to have to publish it anymore, because of a number of missteps on their part. unsurprising really, considering their last book was Cyberpunk barbie dolls levels of bad with some of their artwork... and couldn't avoid trying to be edgelords 24/7 and couldn't make up fake tragedies.... eh, 2018 is a very different climate than 1990.
Anyway, not familiar with Modiphius, they got a good reputation?

IT uses the Cyberpunk systems pretty cleanly, I've looked through it and made a few characters.

Some of the design decisions are.. questionable. Especially the incredible emphasis on crafting which takes up well over twenty to thirty pages it feels like- to make the same exact limited selection of gear you could usually just buy for coin or be handed as rare loot by the game master... Like why bother spending your incredibly limited space and resources on something that clearly would be a good expansion, but is unnecessary to play the game. Especially when there is so much different and better content that should be focused on. More Monsters (NO VAMPIRES, nekkers, foglets... and if an monster has a 'clone or similar to' version of itself? Thats not in there, even as a seperate stat block.), More varied equipment, any sort of feat or trait system to allow for even greater character diversity... yah..)

Or the fact that there is no class for Dwarves and Elves that actually work and make sense and take advantage of their skills. You know.. like a squirrel class? There is just a lot of mismatchs for things. Like why does this group of things for randomly geneated backgrounds give stat bonuses, but this doesn't? What exactly is this free family heirloom do that I'm getting? Why does this class not have this skill? Why bother having talent trees if you can eventually just take everything? Why not just have feats instead? Why does the witcher class get a penalty to empathy, when the game even admits that is a lie made up by organizations to ostracize them? Literally Geralt uses it as a fuck you type joke excuse when he's messing with people.. Blah blah blah, bitch bitch, moan moan.

It's a fun read though, and gameplay wise, I'm sure it's pretty good.

A few things on that- if that is something you can't do- you can just let staff doublecheck the work- and make a chargen system that doesn't do the double checking on stat maximums and spending things on stats that players don't qualify for. Because in order to check if a character is legal as a staffer I'd just run it through chummer5.

Which is something you might want to look at to see if it can be converted over to an MU code format? Maybe? Just a thought.

AKA I'd take anything, even flawed over nothing

@tinuviel Maybe, but its easy to make an account on roll20, multiple ones, its free after all! The biggest draw I think is sort of the cloud based storage services roll20 offers anyway.

Well the way I think about it is this- I don't think my GM ever signed any papers or documents consenting that he gave over ownership of his coding to design the sheet. So.. how would roll20 prosecute a third party application simulating it then? I guess? Iunno.

An excellent question, and one where I suspect they trade perks and features for users who sell their work on roll20 in bundles or the like? It's not totally clear to me, but I have been in a TT group who was in communication with roll20 and got basically free premium membership for making a harnmaster character sheet an other templates and dice rollers related to that game specifically.

And becuase it's a trade- and Roll20 is sort of notorious for doing ad-hoc dealings- I don't think there is any strict transfer of rights. If that makes sense? So I don't think ROll20 has bought out any of the people who made these sheets becuase roll20 has not any interest in further developing or supporting the sheets themselves. If that makes sense? I could be talking out of my ass though, I only know what I see through the grapevine of talking with my GM and his interactions with Roll20

@tINUVIEL Beucase roll 20 does none of the actual work on the sheets themselves. YOu think roll20 made a Harnmaster character sheet? Or a Shadowrun character sheet? Nah that was a community user who submitted it to roll20 that they then curate and sell as part of the package. So there is probably some nebulous ownership issues there.

Shadowrun 5e. I'm half tempted to offer money to see this one.

Edited for mansplaining bullshit I just posted.

About 2-3 times before I begin a game- depending on the book and the relevance to my specific character.

1 or 2 of those times will almost always include the fiction- with a preference to relevant fiction for the specific character concept I am trying to build. (Clan/Tribe/Group/School/What have you). I enjoy playing around with the concepts brought up in the fiction a lot- and see what roleplay can be derived from them- so often this requires knowing the fiction of my specific group backwards and forwards. This means I tend to play the whole 'snowflakey' character type in theory.. but as is approved by the books.

It's amazing the number of people you can in a sphere they run that don't know about certain ways to play a character. My supposedly snowflakey concepts that are totally just trying to toy around with concepts that are presented in the fiction sometimes do get in trouble. Not all, but enough that it's a pattern. There is nothing more upsetting getting in trouble for playing a concept as it is portrayed in fiction correctly, but is not talked about in the core mechanics. Doubly so if it's talked about in the fiction of more than 2 books. Triply so if your then accused of not adhering to theme correctly.. even though the fiction indicates highly otherwise.

Grumble grumble. Grumble. Grumble.