Sep 15, 2015, 6:37 AM

@VulgarKitten

This is so very, very accurate it gets me in the feels. Yes, yes, log everything and this is much easier to negate somewhat. But you know what? I hate turning into the paranoid person who logs every damn thing. Also, logs can get wiped in computer crashes, et al. Yes, yes, back up your logs every day? See re: paranoia.

@Arkandel

One of my many rules of thumb is that if I ever need to 'keep logs of everything' what I really "need" to do is stop playing that game.

The fuck? What kind of arcane programs are you bitches using to MUSH with? It is trivially easy to set up automatic logging. It takes all of a minute, if by a minute I include the rest of setting up a new MUSH world in your client.

The only thing I'm 'paranoid' about is forgetting some shit, losing track of something I said or did that I might want to doublecheck later, etc. I take an extra few seconds when setting up a new world that mostly amounts to copying an old one with a change of address and log file name output, and then don't have to worry about it again. Unless the megabytes of space they use up after years is a concern, I guess.

Every time this comes up people act like logging shit is some onerous task that requires you to go out of your way, or that doing so is obviously a sign of paranoia instead of just what to me seems like some basic, common fucking sense. If you never feel the need for a log and nobody ever asks you for one, wow, you've got a truly miniscule amount of data stored somewhere in your computer. If you do ever feel the need for one, or someone does ask if you happened to log whatever blah blah a couple of months ago, you can dig it up if you feel like it.

It costs you so close to nothing it makes no difference. Not real time or effort, not maintanence, nothing.

@Coin

Not to mention that it's pretty trivial to doctor a log.

It's pretty trivial to doctor the truth, too, so why even bother talking to people when you're dealing with a complaint? Just go with your gut and don't waste your time with people who could be lying to you.

I've had doctored logs result in me making some really terrible calls. People lying has done the same. That either of these things happen doesn't make logs, or talking to people, absent of value it just means you need to approach both with care.

Also, as @Groth said:

While it is trivial to doctor a log in most cases, my method of dealing with it so far has been to ask all parties involved if the log is accurate

For the record, for your facepalming pleasure @Groth, the primary incident I was referring to above where I later found out I'd been played was because I got logs from everyone concerned (where multiple players were accusing one other player) and ruled based on what appeared to be the accused's log being doctored. It turned out the others involved had all doctored theirs in the same way to make it look like he was up to some shady shit so he'd get banned. People are fucking assholes. 😕