@Misadventure said:
Wuss.
If something's going to come squeezing out of a human body to shriek its way into the world, shortening the life expectancy of everyone around it, I'd just prefer it do so through the more socially acceptable chest-hole, like our savior Ridley Scott intended.
This is sort of a thing I love, because I love it, but RL Anger is really the only suitable place to post about 50 Shades of Goddamnit.
Story Time:
I was in a Starbucks when a lady started breast feeding her kid, and an older guy got all bent out of shape over it and asked the barista to tell her to stop, and the woman behind the counter told him if he had a problem with her feeding her baby he could go wait in the bathroom until she was done.
A good laugh was had by most present, but it did draw even more attention to her, and she got kind of flustered and said something like "Okay, everybody can stop staring at my breast now." and the same barista told her that if she had a problem with people looking at her bare breasts, she could go bare it in the bathroom until she was done.
I put a tip in the jar and I wasn't even there to buy anything, just waiting for a friend, because that was fantastic.
@Luna said:
If you bore me though during TS I will totally fake a disconnect. You are warned.
Bonus points for...
<OOC> Luna says, "Just so you know we're experiencing a plague of locusts in my area, so my internet might be spotty."
Luna has disconnected.
@Arkandel said:
Yeah, so. No mav I've ever seen since beats that, but I'm sure one of you freaks has a better tale to tell.
I know this has come up before, but...
LONG AGO IN THE DARK SPACES BETWEEN TIMES, WHEN ALL WERE FORCED TO BOW BEFORE THE YOKE OF TINYFUGE OR SOME VARIANT OF THE SAME, WELL BEFORE THAT PRACTICE BELONGED ONLY TO THE ARCHAIC THENO-PRIESTS OF THE MODERN WORLD...
I was engaging in a fully explicit bit of what I can't really call TS, because it wasn't really posing so much as me writing several pages of smut to send to a friend who was at work, half to mess with her and half because I was 17 and what else was I going to be doing. It was... I don't know, a few pages long or so, in terminal text. Excessively large. Less a pose than a borderline BDSM short story.
Due to a world collapse with TF I sent the whole thing into a giant player/staff meeting on Texas Twilight, with a few dozen people present to discuss some big ridiculous game-thing, all very srs bsns.
Bammo. Giant doompose of fuckery. And since at the time I basically used variations on the same name (different character object names, frequently, but the same IC 'real name'), it was entirely obvious it was me.
Good times. >_>
Sure, staff hates babysitting, but if it's legit harassment, we'll deal with it.
I'm pretty sure I heard that if it's legitimate harassment that a MU*ers charobject has ways of protecting itself.
On the flip side of this, I will also tell you that you're being a whiny baby, and what this person is doing is not harassment, it's legitimate social interaction and seriously stop feeling so entitled
Can't make you miserable or otherwise just be a pain in the ass to deal with, without actually violating any rules or doing anything 'legitimately' harassing. Do we have a sarcasm emoticon yet? Meh.
There's plenty of methods of communication available on a MU*, from channels to pages. I don't really feel as if anybody especially needs to be able to see exactly where I am or who I'm with via +who/+where. If they want to RP with me, they can let me know and we'll figure something out. If they want to RP in public, they can use channels or page folks or other tools. Most games I've been on have +hangouts code that show public spaces and how many people are there, regardless if any of the individuals involved are Unfindable or not.
Given the amount of high school level gossip that goes on about who's RPing with whom, whether they're in public or alone in a room (which always 100% of the time means TS, obvs), blah blah blah, I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything being Unfindable all the time. Any game that thinks me being Unfindable is somehow a problem that needs fixing can go fuck itself.
I've grown far less tolerant. Maybe just in movie theaters. I will not hesitate to notify ushers, security, management, whoever is supposed to get notified about disruptions, if someone's kid is being a disruption for more than a short period. Or repeatedly over numerous short periods.
Is their kid disabled? Perfectly abled but still a little monster? On medication that makes them irritable? I do not give a fuck, get out.
Oh, also libraries. If you can't stop your kid from screaming non-stop, get the fuck out.
I put up with noisy ass kids in restaurants, malls, grocery stores, on the train, in the park, all over the place. I game with friends who have four kids ranging between 8 and 1, and aside from the occasional physically painful shriek, I don't bat an eyelash at them being little monsters, but if they brought them to a movie theater and those kids couldn't control themselves? I'd have their asses out in a heartbeat.
Which they know, and so they don't take their kids if it'll be a problem. If that means they just don't go to movies if they can't make arrangements, then it does. And yeah, it sucks for them, but too bad. They chose to be parents, not the rest of us,. There's other places, other ways, you can go out and get your public on where people will feel obligated to put up with poorly behaved (for whatever reason) children. The movie theater isn't one of those places.
I exist to provide thought provoking inquiries:
It is actually harassment, the pages y'all are talking about. It's not a MASSIVE case of harassment, and not something I'd kick someone off a game for without repeated offenses. It's still enough of one that I'd want to sit someone down and say 'hey, just so you know, this actually isn't okay'.
I love you, I understand why you think this is the case, but no.
To me, this speaks to the bigger social idea that everyone needs to just be nice to each other, and that not being nice should get you put in the naughty corner.
People aren't always nice. They talk shit, they make inappropriate jokes, sometimes they're offensive (sometimes without meaning it, sometimes because in that moment they're an asshole), etc. Pulling them aside to shake a finger at them for not being nice generally do shit. Sure, sometimes it'll ignite a lightbulb and they'll come to an epiphany, but sometimes it'll aggravate the situation and turn some snarky offhand bullshit into actual nastiness. Most of the time they'll just nod their heads and make gestures indicating agreement, and move on. Because what the fuck, really?
"Hey, we've heard you were having a private conversation with some friends and speculating about whether Bob is ICly screwing Tammy and we need you to... stop speculating about stuff in your private conversations, because we heard from Jeff who heard from Joe who hears from Tom who heard from Mindy who heard from Michaela that you said it. Well, no, not specifically what you said but the general... just stop that."
Sure, they'll get right on that.
People are flawed, imperfect creatures, and while staff can and should draw a line in the sand about unacceptable behaviors, try to manage that shit on that level ( a level I can avoid 90% of by setting myself Unfindable ) or try to classify it as 'harassment', and you're going to create a full time job for yourself handling it, and it still won't stop anyone from doing those things.
I find the idea of going to staff about that sort of thing pretty abhorrent, really, and I'm someone who's dealt with more than my fair share of exactly that sort of bullshit. And I'm totally aware that people like Spider use exactly that sort of back-channel muttering to create the whisper campaigns she uses to get at people she doesn't like. Recognizing when that shit is getting out of hand and crossing a line, banning assholes like Spider, sure. Arbitrary staff decision because reasons, do it. Doooo it. But trying to stop the high school style whispering that is pervasive across basically every social endeavor humans put together than involves more than two people? Hah, no.
Stupid, petty bullshit is called petty for a reason, and this illusion that we can or even should aspire to a life of sweetness and light where everybody is always nice to each other is both unrealistic and undesirable, at least to me.
@Olsson said:
So apparantly the guy who does a lot of economy stuff for my family? In jail, for beating a couple uncounciouss and burning a house down with them inside.
That's a thing now apparantly.
It's always been a thing, we just usually don't get caugh... I mean, yeah, what? That's crazy. Who does that?
Since I've had people poking me via other media to make sure I'm okay, with various theories on what might have happened, I figured I'd drop in long enough to clarify:
So on and so forth. I'm fine, I'm just not reading or posting here, aside from making this post. I regret that I won't be following up to savor the various shades of don't really give a fuck to follow. You gave enough of a fuck to click on the thread title, so my ego is secure.
Since just saying "I'm not reading/posting anymore." hasn't been enough to stop people from nagging me, I'll include here what I've said elsewhere:
I enjoyed the board (by which I collectively mean the string of boards this general community has inhabited going way back, whatever its name) most when it was a bunch of assholes and bullies being more or less comfortable with being and dealing with assholes and bullies, and it was a venue to vent about how fucking stupid people can be, and how terrible both their roleplay and their life choices often were. It was filthy and pretty vile, but also quite cathartic.
I enjoyed the more serious conversations that grew out of it, because generally people said whatever the fuck they wanted to say without much regard for what other people would think of it, both in terms of the ideas put forward and the often brutal criticism that came out of it. Again, assholes and bullies, but again that was a feature not a bug. Nobody really worried about hurting anybody else's feelings, because if their feelings were going to get hurt over some shit said on an internet forum for and by assholes and bullies, they probably knew they shouldn't be here anyway.
Soapbox isn't really that place, though. Which, again, is fine. It doesn't have to be. But it's what I wanted, what I enjoyed, and seeing it steadily replaced by a more standard forum with a growing community of finger-shakers and tsk-tsk-tsk types doesn't really sit well with me. I didn't read WORA to have people worry about my feelings before they posted, I wanted them to post whatever the fuck they wanted to and to trust that I was enough of an adult not to go kill myself over it, and vice versa.
The fact that right now there's probably half a dozen people immediately thinking about posting with righteous indignation about how cyber-bullying and suicide are never funny and how dare I only really illustrates why I lost interest in posting here.
None of which is meant to suggest that the community here, despite what assholes remain, isn't probably better off for the shift. I'm sure plenty of folks are much happier and more willing to post with the trend of mockery and ridicule and outright insult over their ideas getting more and more pressure to shut the fuck up. No sarcasm is intended there, either. It's just gotten to be a pretty far departure from my expectations and interests.
I'm not trying to call out @Glitch in particular, but when he posted that there was a place here for Play-By-Post subforums and shit, it sort of cemented that disinterest. Whatever we're calling it now, this board came up as a place to house the community that existed on WORA when it went down the last time, and the very idea of encouraging folks to PbP on a board used even in part for making fun of people's RP seems pretty fucking antithetical.
As of a bit ago nobody was actually using it, mind, but that it even came up as a thing (and was given the thumbs up in post by folks as a good idea in the past) cemented my impression that this isn't really the place for what I wanted. Inevitably somebody will bumble through using it, maybe to wet their toes in RP, and when somebody makes fun of them for it somebody else will cluck their tongue and post disapprovingly about discouraging folks from trying and first times and blah blah blah. Which is a pretty legit response, but again, the fact it'd even come up in the first place is just... meh.
I'm okay with making fun of people's RP (even my own), and I like tasteless, even vile humor, and I enjoyed interacting with folks in an environment where mostly nobody worried about anybody else's feelings and censored their shit accordingly, or got on anybody else's case to do the same.
I'm not trying to condemn Soapbox, or the community. All in all I think things have had a pretty positive upswing for most folks, even if not for me.
So, there you go. I'm not going to pull any dramatic 'NEVER AGAIN!' nonsense, but I probably won't be back any time soon. There's officially no need to poke me on facebook or skype or whatever to ask me if something's wrong, or if I'm mad at somebody, or blah blah blah. Not that you can't poke me, I'm still social, I'm just not posting here.
Laters.
@Glitch said:
@HelloRaptor I've actually never tried deleting an account. I wonder what it would do to the posts and the like.
Ah, right. Okay, good enough.
@Glitch said:
If you have any ideas or thoughts regarding any of this, feel free to respond here for discussion.
God, shoot met. Is there a way to delete your account from the "forum", or is logging out and not coming back as far as it goes?
@VulgarKitten
We were talking (at some point) about how ineffective logs can be. This was an example. Uh. Duh.
I don't... What? I don't think you understand how... This is crazy. What?
That's like commenting on a discussion of whether or not eyewitness testimony is reliable by commenting about how it won't be if someone is paying off the Judge to overturn an unfavorable ruling. Like, at that point absolutely nothing is effective, so why even bring it up as if the one might be related to the other?
In other news, seatbelts really aren't effective safety devices if your car is hit by a missile. In case anybody wondered.
@Arkandel said:
@HelloRaptor said:
I just woke up so
<looks at his watch and sobs>
(Yes, that's what I took from that post
)
I started playing the Tresspasser DLC for DA:I yesterday evening and got so absorbed in it I didn't realize what time it was until like 5am. Derp. 
@VulgarKitten said:
Also, even when there are logs pretty clearly showing one thing was said, and another thing was done? It's all dependent on a non-corrupt staff to care, which, of course, doesn't always happen.
How does this relate to anything to do with logs? I mean, everything is dependent on a non-corrupt staff. If your starting point is corrupt staff, you're already in a shit place.
Remember how we all bitched and complained about how stupid the Autumn Mantle 1 bonus was relative to every other Mantle 1 bonus? That's applicable here. The Dancer Kith is shit.
So, like, House Rule it, you nobs.
Right. ;D
Hell, even if you just changed the first line to 'A Dancer gains the rote quality on all Athletics rolls, as well as adding his Wyrd to any Expression, Persuasion, Socialize, or Subterfuge rolls where movement would help. If a Dancer purchases the Parkour merit, they do not need to pay for the fourth dot.'
Annnnd done. Dancers can leverage their mastery of physical movement and coordination on Athletics rolls even if they aren't explicitely dancing, which has a pretty wide range of uses in and out of combat. Yes, they could use the Rote action on Athletics for throwing things or archery, but getting either of those isn't difficult with Professional Training folded into the normal list of merits (and no longer 'just for mortals', fuck that was stupid) and there's rules limiting how useful it is blah blah blah.
You could in fact play a Dancer kith who completely abhors dancing anymore (something the general writeup on Kiths indicates is totally a thing). You'd miss out on part of your Kith bonus, but still make use of what it drilled into you, just like an Author could refuse to ever write another story, but can still read anything in any mortal language. Honestly the handful of Kiths with more narrowly defined Blessings that don't include at least something like this, really should if they're serious about it being totally normal for Changelings to disdain the specifics of their Kith.
For instance, the Nightsinger Kith is already pretty good, but is entirely restricted to singing. Instead let them use their listed ability when speaking as well, but make it resisted by Resolve+Composure instead of just Composure, and the Condition fades Wyrd minutes after they stop talking. You've opened it up to concepts where the Nightsinger who once loved to sing now rebels against the idea of performing after what was made of her, but can still leverage the power of her voice. They'd be better at it if they sang, by far, but not completely denied a benefit of their Kith by choosing to do what the game says is not uncommon to do.
I just woke up so there may be implications to the shit I'm throwing out there that I'm not seeing in terms of rules interactions, but the basic point remains: Supposedly your Kith can be something your character totally rebels against, but that shouldn't be the same thing as it becoming mechanically useless (or so narrow in scope it might as well be, in the case of the Dancer's silly 'where movement counts' clause), so those Kiths with such strictly defined Blessings should have them widened a bit or allowed to be used in a less potent state as well as what's listed.
There's nothing stopping someone from running a game in tabletop wherein a character with the Dancer Kith can make exceedingly good use of their Blessing.
And if there were a Zerbert Kith that got +10 dice when zerberting the bellies of small children, there'd be nothing stopping someone from running a game in tabletop wherin all conflicts would be with rowdy babies who need to be entertained.
What's the difference between "Dancer" and "Author"?
Uh, the difference is that even in the absence of its particular schtick, this:
Is still a pretty goddamn useful ability in any number of situations.
Concepts
There's nothing wrong with concepts, but a Kith blessing like the Dancer gets is pretty fucking narrow in scope. How about instead of Author we look at another performance-based Kith, like Minstrel?
Hey, look at that, some shit that's useful outside the pretty explicit name of your Kith.
Even other similar Kiths with similar blessings get more useful shit than Dancer. The Nightsinger's blessing is only related to their singing, but they get
That's got some utility, instead of some nebulous 'where movement is involved' shit, and the rather dubious utility of inflicting Obsession.
The fact that a good Storyteller can make a shit writeup work if they try doesn't make something any less shit as a baseline, and Dancer's pretty shit.
@Coin said:
@Miss-Demeanor said:
Both and mechanic. Same stupid bonus to dance-related rolls. Having played a Dancer for years, I can tell you just how little it actually comes up. >.> Or matters.
This seems more like a problem with the concept of a dancer on a MU and how much actual dancing you'll be doing to make a mechanic practical and viable, than any actual problem in the theme or mechanic of the Kith itself. >.>
Does it? That was rhetorical, because no, it really doesn't.
@Ganymede said:
@Three-Eyed-Crow said:
It's particularly grating when said friend, who treats her untrained dog like a child she has to take everywhere, is mystified that I don't want it at my house. And that people at restaurants/Target/everywhere might not want it in their business.
I think the same about other people's untrained children.
Beat me to it. >_>
