Vietnam War MUSH

[Wizz]

Yeah, being mentally ill and being racist and bigoted are not by any means mutually exclusive.

[Caractus]

OP, you want The Greatest Generation Part 2: Fortunate Son, basically.

Not sure there's a market for it.

[GangOfDolls]

@Sunny This is a fair reaction. I can only explain myself in that I've been largely inactive on this forum for most of the year, so I just didn't see it before. I also failed to look at the post history.

[Misadventure]

Is there a link to previous sexist/racist game offerings? I do not track alt names well.

[Kestrel]

As a mentally ill person who wishes not to be stigmatised for having a mental illness, I would politely request that people kindly not treat mental illness as a hall-pass to do/say awful shit and not be held accountable.

[Kestrel]

@Chet said in Vietnam War MUSH:

I took a fantastic class on the Vietnam War at UMass, I learned a lot of elements of it that were outside of traditional media.

[...]

You also had a high degree of defection or enemy sympathy with everyone, even Americans (Mao Mao movement) in Vietnam, mercenaries were the only reliable troops for 'heavy point artillery', use of infantry as anti-personnel stage clearance.

The Mao Mao movement was in Kenya and had to do with British colonialism. Sounds like you're a troll, and your credentials are made up.

@Arkandel said in Vietnam War MUSH:

@TiredEwok said in Vietnam War MUSH:

I personally am not sure how well received this would be. The war in Vietnam was fucking horrific

Although you're entitled to your opinions I'm not sure I follow. WW1 and WW2 were both pretty damn horrific as well, and true atrocities were committed, yet there are games based on those.

There's a bit of a difference between a game like Savage Skies that's set during WWII and glorifies fighting fascism, and a game set during the Vietnam War that glorifies American imperialism.

[Caractus]

@Kestrel said in Vietnam War MUSH:

@Chet said in Vietnam War MUSH:

I took a fantastic class on the Vietnam War at UMass, I learned a lot of elements of it that were outside of traditional media.

[...]

You also had a high degree of defection or enemy sympathy with everyone, even Americans (Mao Mao movement) in Vietnam, mercenaries were the only reliable troops for 'heavy point artillery', use of infantry as anti-personnel stage clearance.

The Mao Mao movement was in Kenya and had to do with British colonialism. Sounds like you're a troll, and your credentials are made up.

@Arkandel said in Vietnam War MUSH:

@TiredEwok said in Vietnam War MUSH:

I personally am not sure how well received this would be. The war in Vietnam was fucking horrific

Although you're entitled to your opinions I'm not sure I follow. WW1 and WW2 were both pretty damn horrific as well, and true atrocities were committed, yet there are games based on those.

There's a bit of a difference between a game like Savage Skies that's set during WWII and glorifies fighting fascism, and a game set during the Vietnam War that glorifies American imperialism.

I did not play The Greatest Generation so I'm fuzzy on the details, but did the Nazi PCs there perform war crimes?

http://warisunlimited.wikidot.com/fuchs

I confess to being woefully ignorant of what went on there since I never played on it. It failed to mesh with my appetites.

EDIT:

Some deep diving brought me this gem:

Its not beyond possibility that you get executed, or you get captured, in the course of play here. In which case some special rules will apply.

Executions. Obviously you can't +revive from being put up against the wall and shot. If you have no revives when you get executed, no change, you +rollover as normal. If, however, you have a revive left, you will have the choice of genning a new character, with one less revive than your old, and the full experience. So, in essence, a +revive preserving your stats, though not the character.

If you end up a POW if theres some legit reason that you are returned then you will be returned. Note, in Spain thats gonna be a fairly rare occurrence though not beyond doubt, it wasn't as gentlemanly as WW1 but prisoner exchanges are still a fact of life. Basically if you have a prisoner IC, then you can swap em IC as well. If you /dont/ and there isnt much chance of your character returning to friendly lines - you can use a +revive and that "stroke of luck" will get you home.

So you can perform extrajudicial death sentences. Or could. That game's long since dessicated and blown away onto the ashpit of history.

[somasatori]

@Kestrel said in Vietnam War MUSH:

@Chet said in Vietnam War MUSH:

I took a fantastic class on the Vietnam War at UMass, I learned a lot of elements of it that were outside of traditional media.

[...]

You also had a high degree of defection or enemy sympathy with everyone, even Americans (Mao Mao movement) in Vietnam, mercenaries were the only reliable troops for 'heavy point artillery', use of infantry as anti-personnel stage clearance.

The Mao Mao movement was in Kenya and had to do with British colonialism. Sounds like you're a troll, and your credentials are made up.

Also there was a really low defection rate of Americans to North Vietnam during the war. They were - as far as I remember when I read up on Ho Chi Minh's theories and the history of Marxism-Leninism in Vietnam - referred to as "White Congs." Given the Red Scare at home, along with demonization and othering of the Vietnamese, and given that most American servicemen relied on locals to translate/communicate, it would be extremely difficult for even the most steadfast American communist to have insertion into the NVA. To expound a little further on the Red Scare stuff, according to my dad/uncles/thesis advisor that served in Vietnam, they were usually screened pretty heavily on their ideological views following enlistment. AFAIK they didn't attempt to draft any known member of a leftist organization. This isn't to say that someone can't be radicalized while in the military, hell a bunch of my friends were, but it was exceedingly rare based on historical record. As an aside, I'm an anarcho-communist and most of the people mentioned are also left-leaning or have similar views, so the anecdotal stuff may be my personal experience.

Also a brief shout-out: the Mau Mau Movement was right and just and all imperialism is a crime against humanity by its very nature.

[Kestrel]

@somasatori said in Vietnam War MUSH:

As an aside, I'm an anarcho-communist

Wanna break Bread?

Also a brief shout-out: the Mau Mau Movement was right and just and all imperialism is a crime against humanity by its very nature.

I have no idea how I ended up with this extremely obscure book in my possession, but if you can get your hands on it, Mau Mau's Daughter has some really great insights into British colonialism & cultural genocide from an intersectional feminist perspective. And yeah, they were badass.

[Caractus]

@somasatori said in Vietnam War MUSH:

it would be extremely difficult for even the most steadfast American communist to have insertion into the NVA

Reminds me of when I say something to people like "We should improve the social safety net so people don't die as much" and then they go "Oooh! Listen to you! if you don't like it here, why don't you MOVE TO NORTH KOREA!?"

And I'm like "I would if they would let me."

Mind you, I fully realize why they don't want americans traipsing around there nonchalantly; that's how you end up with a CIA cell wreaking havoc and trying to do a Color Revolution.

[Kestrel]

@Caractus said in Vietnam War MUSH:

@somasatori said in Vietnam War MUSH:

it would be extremely difficult for even the most steadfast American communist to have insertion into the NVA

Reminds me of when I say something to people like "We should improve the social safety net so people don't die as much" and then they go "Oooh! Listen to you! if you don't like it here, why don't you MOVE TO NORTH KOREA!?"

And I'm like "I would if they would let me."

Mind you, I fully realize why they don't want americans traipsing around there nonchalantly; that's how you end up with a CIA cell wreaking havoc and trying to do a Color Revolution.

My dude; this is getting very tiring. Literally no one is buying your act.

[Caractus]

@Kestrel said in Vietnam War MUSH:

@Caractus said in Vietnam War MUSH:

@somasatori said in Vietnam War MUSH:

it would be extremely difficult for even the most steadfast American communist to have insertion into the NVA

Reminds me of when I say something to people like "We should improve the social safety net so people don't die as much" and then they go "Oooh! Listen to you! if you don't like it here, why don't you MOVE TO NORTH KOREA!?"

And I'm like "I would if they would let me."

Mind you, I fully realize why they don't want americans traipsing around there nonchalantly; that's how you end up with a CIA cell wreaking havoc and trying to do a Color Revolution.

My dude; this is getting very tiring. Literally no one is buying your act.

Pardon?

[somasatori]

@Kestrel said in Vietnam War MUSH:

@somasatori said in Vietnam War MUSH:

As an aside, I'm an anarcho-communist

Wanna break Bread?

A Kropotkin reference on this, our MSB?! I should have talked politics many years ago, it seems.

Also a brief shout-out: the Mau Mau Movement was right and just and all imperialism is a crime against humanity by its very nature.

I have no idea how I ended up with this extremely obscure book in my possession, but if you can get your hands on it, Mau Mau's Daughter has some really great insights into British colonialism & cultural genocide from an intersectional feminist perspective. And yeah, they were badass.

I haven't heard of this, but did a search on it and it sounds fascinating (and extremely expensive). I'm going to see if I can't find it somewhere online. Thanks for the tip! In return, I highly suggest Colonial Metropolis by Jennifer Anne Boittin. She's fairly liberal, but she does seem to have some sympathies for the left. It's largely a dissection of anti-imperialist feminism during the interwar years in Europe, but using several historical case studies.

[Caractus]

@somasatori said in Vietnam War MUSH:

@Kestrel said in Vietnam War MUSH:

@somasatori said in Vietnam War MUSH:

As an aside, I'm an anarcho-communist

Wanna break Bread?

A Kropotkin reference on this, our MSB?! I should have talked politics many years ago, it seems.

Hello, do you have a moment to talk about our lord and savior, Eugene V. Debs?