I know it's an old topic but to this day....

[Ganymede]

@magee101

I know. I didn’t say that it should be an actually problem. I was saying that some people cling to the narrative to cover for their failure to get the vaccines, for whatever reason.

[magee101]

@quinn In my State if you go to a private institution of health they always charge you a copay/full cost if not insured. But if you go to a county health department (which often includes waiting 1-3hrs with an appointment) you get them for free.

[Too Old For This]

Most children anymore can get free vaccinations for school, I know I had to do that with my son a few times when he was much younger because fuck the cost of insurance in this country. And if you're on state health, vaccinations and boosters are considered part of the 'yearly checkup'. So there's literally no excuse for it. Its a little tetchier for adults since the lost cost/no cost places tend to be first come first serve and have a limited amount of any given vaccine.

[Sunny]

There are a not-insignificant number of people in poverty so deeply in the United States that free wellness exams/vaccines are still out of their reach. If they are sick enough for the ER, that is their option. That is their only option. For themselves, and for their children. Not everyone has a support network. Not everyone has access to transportation. Not everyone can take time off of work. Is it easy for me to judge and say there's no excuse, because they could take one of their days off (you mean the days they are working the other jobs?) and ride the bus / spend most of the day (a day they could be working and getting money to try not to be homeless) going to the clinic to get their kid vaccinated? Sure. It's easy to judge.

I've been that poor. It cost me a dangerous amount of money to get my kid vaccinated at the Department of Health free vaccine clinic that they do for elementary school children. Not only that, but they were only doing it for like 3 day chunks when they were doing it, and EVERYONE who had a school aged child who was poor enough to qualify had the one place to do it.

[faraday]

@sunny That’s quite true, but those people, like the immune compromised, could be covered by herd immunity if all the people who -can- get vaccines do. It’s the people willfully opting out that are putting everyone else at risk.

[Sunny]

@faraday

Oh, I know -- absolutely. I was just pointing out that 'they're free so being poor isn't an excuse' isn't really all that accurate once you get to a certain level of poverty.

[Tinuviel]

@sunny said in I know it's an old topic but to this day....:

'they're free so being poor isn't an excuse' isn't really all that accurate

The point being made, at least originally, was that it's an excuse used by people that opt (as in are in a position to choose) to not vaccinate. It got muddled, as things do, but it's still an accurate thing to say when talking about stupid people, not poor people.

[Sunny]

@tinuviel

I'm not disagreeing with you.

[Jennkryst]

I'd like to go back a teeny bit to the flat earth and troll the thread by asking... why not both?

[Thenomain]

@jennkryst

One of the non-"m-theory" theories about our universe is that its bubble-like nature is one of many in whatever medium our universe exists in. I think Stephen Hawking touched on it, but I can't remember.

[magee101]

@thenomain I believe he touched upon some of the formula people had proposed to use in his book about the Time Dilation effect between our part of the Universe and the Center of the Universe.

[Ominous]

@jennkryst said in I know it's an old topic but to this day....:

I'd like to go back a teeny bit to the flat earth and troll the thread by asking... why not both?

That would make for an interesting RPG premise. Instead of Spelljammer, Icejammer.

[Killer Klown]

@ominous There was this thing back in the 1800s where people finally got overwhelmed with the evidence that the earth was not, in fact, flat; so they said fine, it's not flat. It's torus shaped (Because apparantly it was easier to believe the earth's a giant donut than a sphere). I think we should combine that with the flat earth iceball - a flat disk of planet surrounded by a torus of ice (or vice versa).
We'll call it the Breathsaver theory.

[Tinuviel]

@killer-klown said in I know it's an old topic but to this day....:

There was this thing back in the 1800s where people finally got overwhelmed with the evidence that the earth was not, in fact, flat; so they said fine, it's not flat. It's torus shaped

Source?

@killer-klown said in I know it's an old topic but to this day....:

Because apparantly it was easier to believe the earth's a giant donut than a sphere

It's not a sphere, it's an oblate spheroid.

[magee101]

@Killer-Klown idk about the majority of the populace but most academic circles have cited the world as round since the early AD I believe it was. Cant remeber the exact year but the Greecian was.. euripadies? Euraklies?

[Ominous]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth

6th century BC is the earliest recorded conceptualization of a spherical Earth. 3rd century BC was confirmation.

[Tinuviel]

There are theories, IIRC, that the universe is torus-shaped. It could be from whence the confusion has come.

[Bananerz]

Arguing about what is real when you're in a simulation.

[Killer Klown]

@Tinuviel said in I know it's an old topic but to this day....:

@killer-klown said in I know it's an old topic but to this day....:

There was this thing back in the 1800s where people finally got overwhelmed with the evidence that the earth was not, in fact, flat; so they said fine, it's not flat. It's torus shaped

Source?

Orlando Ferguson (Google turned up a few results - this was one: https://www.livescience.com/14754-ingenious-flat-earth-theory-revealed-map.html )

@killer-klown said in I know it's an old topic but to this day....:

Because apparantly it was easier to believe the earth's a giant donut than a sphere

It's not a sphere, it's an oblate spheroid.

[Tinuviel]

@Killer-Klown Huh. That's actually really clever. Squaring the circle is rarely so elegant.