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    Posts made by Tinuviel

    • RE: Fanbase entitlement

      @Arkandel said in Fanbase entitlement:

      See, that still doesn't satisfy me @Tinuviel. Let me be more clear on why.
      Just because we know kickback is expected it doesn't make it justified. For instance George Martin delaying Winds of Winter for years was guaranteed to cause the fanbase to grumble but it's perfectly within his rights to not work (which is what it is) if he doesn't want to. Those are separate things.

      Sure, and I hold that (at least roughly) one entity's rights end when another entity's rights begin. Thus if something doesn't meet expectations, then the expector has the right to complain. They do not have the right to react in a way that the average person would consider over the top. Your football team doesn't win? You can be angry, but you can't riot and raise hell, for example.

      So does fiscal viability play a role (and what kind of role)? For example the Star Wars prequels were quite successful financial but the common consensus is that those movies were shit; does the number of tickets sold alter the premise? Was Lucas less stupid for doing them the way he did because it still made money?

      It depends entirely on the goal of releasing the content in question. Making the prequels might well have been a passion project yadda yadda, but the ultimate goal of a film-maker of such a scale as Lucas is to make money. He made money, therefore he wasn't stupid in my view. His creative decisions may have been stupid (I didn't actually mind the prequals), but he wasn't. I was, however, more intending on making a flippant remark about money being more important than quality.

      Making a MU*, on the other hand, is generally about creating an environment for others to do things with. Creating a toolset, as it were. If Bob Staffer, per your example above, gave a certain toolset to the sphere and people enjoyed using it they'd certainly be right to complain when Tim Staffer replaced their tools with something they didn't want to use. Therefore Tim has failed to create the environment that others wanted.

      Movies are about one generally static group making a thing, with the rest of us absorbing it. That's it.
      MUs are about one sometimes changing group making a thing, another variable group taking that thing and playing with it, and giving it back to be played with again, and again. There is a process of evolution and change that happens on a MU, and will eventually (ideally) work itself into a place where the majority like it. If someone then comes in to upset that equilibrium, then naturally the people that worked for the status quo, and those that came in with the intention of experiencing same, will be annoyed. And I'd say they'd be right to do so.

      posted in Mildly Constructive
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      Tinuviel
    • RE: Fanbase entitlement

      @Arkandel I think my last sentence answered that one: If you take a thing someone else has made [...] and people like the original... expect kickback if yours is radically different.

      I'll admit, the only real "right" an absorber of content has in the case of them not liking something is, simply, not to absorb it. Complain, critique, and spread the word if one must, sure. But ultimately, nobody is under an obligation to do anything about a content absorber's dislike.

      So, yes. If HBO turned Harry Potter into Sin City meets Generation Kill, Potter fans would be within their rights to be upset. I would also be right to call HBO stupid for doing so (until viewing/financial information proved me wrong). But HBO would also be right to make that, if they wanted - they would not be right in making it and acting surprised when fans of the IP voiced concerns or criticisms of the content they created.

      posted in Mildly Constructive
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      Tinuviel
    • RE: Fanbase entitlement

      @Third-Eye My point was that if I took something that was obviously heavily based on someone else's creation, they'd be right to call me out on it. Or sue me. Or send Blorg friendship squads after me.

      Secondly, you're grossly misunderstanding what I'm saying if you think I believe that there's "something magical" about being a creator of things. I'm a creator of things, every character I make (or... more realistically every time I retool the same character for everything) is a piece of 'content'.

      I'm saying that if you want to rehash over ground that someone else has already trod and found popularity from, a la Star Trek reboots, Disney's Star Wars, etcetera, I believe that fans have the right to a level of expectation, whether you'd call that entitlement or not, as to how things are going to go. Kirk is a dick, Spock is a nerd, lightsabers go brrrrrrm, and Thrawn matters.

      If you take a thing someone else has made, without copyright being an issue, and people like the original... expect kickback if yours is radically different.

      posted in Mildly Constructive
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    • RE: Fanbase entitlement

      @Third-Eye said in Fanbase entitlement:

      So basically, we're allowed to say whatever we want in our fiction, and we're all allowed to make our own.

      Well, no. Copyright and good taste need to be taken into consideration. If I wanted to make a book about vampires that come from five different lineages and so on and so forth... I think Paradox (or whoever owns the rights these days) would be mildly peeved if I started making money off of it.

      There is no "canon."

      If someone is writing, or creating, something in an established 'universe' - such as Star Wars, or James Bond, or Transformers... you can ignore canon all you like, if you really want to. But the kinds of people that read/play/otherwise absorb such content are likely going to be people that like, or at the very least understand, the 'canon' as presented in the 'official' media of those subjects. So, sure.

      You can make whatever you like. People can also think what you made is shit.

      posted in Mildly Constructive
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      Tinuviel
    • RE: Fallen World MUX!

      @Goldfish Mage is kind of like quantum mechanics. If you think you understand it, you don't understand it.

      posted in Adver-tis-ments
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      Tinuviel
    • RE: Client suggestions

      Potato does have a spell-checker component, it just doesn't check as you type.

      posted in Mildly Constructive
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      Tinuviel
    • RE: Interest Check: Single Sphere VtR Game

      @lordbelh We're getting snooty anachronistic bigots that hate folks that aren't them.

      Sounds actual-Paris enough to me.

      posted in Mildly Constructive
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    • RE: Interest Check: Single Sphere VtR Game

      @ThatGuyThere Please. I've seen better acting in porn than on most SW MU*s. Though I still enjoy both.

      posted in Mildly Constructive
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      Tinuviel
    • RE: Interest Check: Single Sphere VtR Game

      Then yes, I am in. I will play literally anything, even a Star Wars porn parody called "The Empire Strikes Deep" if it means I can do that.

      posted in Mildly Constructive
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      Tinuviel
    • RE: Interest Check: Single Sphere VtR Game

      Will I be able to post grammatical and spelling corrections of the IC posts made by other characters?

      posted in Mildly Constructive
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      Tinuviel
    • RE: Star Trek MU*s

      Well my most immediate "plan" would be to set it on one ship during The Original Series (not the Abrams revised edition), with a monster of the fortnight type thing. Go to a planet, deal with monster/threat/story, move to next planet. So really no space system would be needed.

      posted in Adver-tis-ments
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      Tinuviel
    • RE: Star Trek MU*s

      @BobGoblin said in Star Trek MU*s:

      How do you set up a system that lets people who WANT to be a Captain, be a Captain but not water things down?

      If you're having a game set on a ship (which is the obvious, but not only, choice), then I'd say... the Captain should be an NPC. The Department Heads should be players capable of, and willing to, running plot for their department

      How do you have Space Combat without Space Sim?

      Use the game system ruleset of your choice. In this instance, I'd probably look at the FASA Star Trek RPG but there are other options.

      How do you have stories and adventures that aren't dependent on Staff +events?

      Main overarching plot should be under staff direction, with department heads running smaller-scale things as above, with staff assistance if necessary.

      How do you have progression as a character beyond promotions, etc?

      Skills and such, as with any RPG system. IC progression would likely depend upon the exact setting chosen.

      posted in Adver-tis-ments
      Tinuviel
      Tinuviel
    • Star Trek MU*s

      So. Are there any about? Or, probably more to the point, is there any interest in one being made? I have a hankering for some Star Trek roleplay (with or without massive report systems)... preferably not in the Abrams-verse.

      posted in Adver-tis-ments
      Tinuviel
      Tinuviel
    • RE: RL Anger

      @Pondscum It has been said that beings last as long on this world as is needed for them to change a part of it for the best. For some it takes a day, for others a century. Your departed friend created perfection and brought beauty that the universe needed, and it only took her fourteen years to do so; and at the end she was kept close by the one she most dearly loved.

      posted in Tastes Less Game'y
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      Tinuviel
    • RE: Retail "Horror" Stories

      @Royal said in Retail "Horror" Stories:

      @Cobaltasaurus it's my right to wear cat piss to camouflage myself from predators! You can't take that away from me!

      Aren't the predators in Target, though?

      posted in Tastes Less Game'y
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      Tinuviel
    • RE: Dead Celebrity Thread

      @VulgarKitten It's a very strange sensation to see someone you vaguely know (friend of a friend type thing) as a trending topic...

      posted in Tastes Less Game'y
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    • RE: Retail "Horror" Stories

      @Cobaltasaurus I'm lucky to generally avoid office-related BS at school, But I happened to be there, doing some paperwork, and thus I'm apparently at fault. Bleh.

      posted in Tastes Less Game'y
      Tinuviel
      Tinuviel
    • RE: Retail "Horror" Stories

      No, madame, the fact that I am still at the school office three hours after school hours does not mean that you can just assume I'm looking after your child if you fail to pick them up after school.

      Also, your child is seventeen. You know perfectly well that they won't stick around after school to hang out with me, so don't pretend your child coming home high is my fault.

      posted in Tastes Less Game'y
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      Tinuviel
    • RE: Retail "Horror" Stories

      @Arkandel I'm a teacher. That's just tech support for flesh-machines.

      posted in Tastes Less Game'y
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      Tinuviel
    • RE: Retail "Horror" Stories

      @Thenomain
      Tinuviel takes notes

      posted in Tastes Less Game'y
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