Regarding administration on MSB
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@thenomain In a case of "Don't go fuck with a place, guys," I don't think that's the sort of thing that needs to be run by anyone else.
It's been said so often here that it shouldn't raise any eyebrows regardless of what someone thinks about MOD VOICE, who's saying it, what issues someone has with Auspice, or whatever else.
"Don't go fuck with a place" should be universally accepted as fair and just.
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It's not so much 'should have talked to the adults' as 'made another stupid mod-voice (or sarcastically non-mod voice?) post' with a possible side helping of 'do they actually discuss this shit?'
Are we not allowed to criticize? How many 'and most of the time I moderate it just makes things worse' does a mod get, both personally, and in the general sense of us realizing maybe mods shouldn't just be modding for the fun of it when ever they have an opinion and instead save it for really critical problems as has always been the case?
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Like any one else would do a better job. You're all human.
Except the lawyers, with their soulless unblinking black eyes.
I have a waggish sense of humor.
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@misadventure My eyes are blue.
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@Misadventure @Arkandel was doing a better job by himself before.
At least so far, I haven't seen @ganymede screw up horribly.
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@saosmash said in Regarding administration on MSB:
@misadventure My eyes are blue.
Fine. Soulless unblinking blue eyes. Happy, now?
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@bored said in Regarding administration on MSB:
Are we not allowed to criticize?
Am I not allowed to criticize the criticism? I don't think "I think this topic is stupid" should be mistaken for "you aren't allowed to have opinions". I'm making my case. You're making yours.
How many 'and most of the time I moderate it just makes things worse' does a mod get
You're going to have to be clearer on how her recent post made anything worse. I sure as hell don't see that she was:
modding for the fun of it
Maybe the 'Not Mod Voice', but I didn't see that. Maybe it was in the Hog Pit. The thought of it was kind of funny to me, but I don't know the exact context.
and instead save it for really critical problems
You mean like people thinking about pulling an attack on a game using Soapbox as its base?
Then yes, we agree.
I would have preferred if she waited for it to be an actual thing, but as far as mistakes go the worst I see is that she was blind to how others might react to it without having her knowledge.
Which has been prevalent in this thread by others who have been criticizing tone, which comes largely from their own view on things without explaining where their view comes from and expecting others to just agree with them.
Or as @wolfs says, endless back and forth.
It's easy to say someone is tone-deaf. It's much harder to prove it. The best we can do is try and discover what each other means by it and hopefully come to an understanding about it. If people don't want to come to an understanding then while I personally believe that they should stay out of the discussion, things can still be learned by those willing to try.
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@thenomain said in Regarding administration on MSB:
@bored said in Regarding administration on MSB:
How many 'and most of the time I moderate it just makes things worse' does a mod get
You're going to have to be clearer on how her recent post made anything worse. I sure as hell don't see that she was:
Well, there's now a mod post that can easily be interpreted/pointed to by detractors as 'MSB admins have to keep their braying hyenas of a community in check' and/or 'MSB admins are posting transparent spin to hide how shitty their posters are.' The post just looks bad, and accomplishes nothing.
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... What?
I ... what?!
I don't even begin to understand your logic. Can you please elaborate?
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@thenomain I'm not sure what's unclear.
To me, her post reads like the 'There is no controversy' line, in that her denial (via admonishment/conspicuous condemnation) is far more suspicious than total silence.
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@thenomain To be honest, what I'm ultimately getting out of this latest thing is @Tempest seeing a chance to go running to @Arkandel in particular, in a public way rather than a private (PMs), trying to get @Auspice in hot water over some perceived misuse of MOD VOICE when the reasoning behind it is really not controversial at all.
What does it attempt to accomplish? Perhaps getting more people to distrust Auspice being fit to have moderator privileges here. I don't know if she belongs as one or not, so I'm not touching that side of things.
But again, the basis for the question stems from there being a concern about people using MSB as a way to organize going over to a place to do...something. People have already generally agreed that fucking with a game is not okay, and neither is using MSB as a way to try organizing such things, so raising any kind of complaint or question over that as the catalyst under the guise of "misuse of MOD VOICE" is questionable at best to me. At worst, it comes off like an attempt to stir the anti-Auspice pot.
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@bored If you're actually worried about people taking those attitudes regarding what Auspice said, I really don't even care about what those people think in the first place.
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@bored i think with this particular group of staffers on that mush, silence and anything said would be seen as confirmation of their paranoia.
So nothing made the situation “worse” in the context of response them. I don’t think anything would have mattered.
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Not sure how you guys don't get what @bored is saying.
@Wolfs posts in particular barely make any sense.
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@tempest I'm not surprised you'd think that, but you're probably still annoyed that I dared to call you out on your victim-blaming bullshit and general attempts to draw attention to yourself.
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@mietze I mean, I agree with that, but I still maintain -- I know, I know, everyone says that I'm not who they're talking to -- that that was what made responding silly in the first place.
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The correct response as a board mod would've been to tell whoever brought up this "concern" that they're an idiot.
Not justify it by going "MOD VOICE : WE DO NOT ENDORSE ATTACKS ON GAMES GUYS! STOP IT!"
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I think /community members/ are responding to perceived disrespect to /the community/.
Nobody cares what the staff of that place think because when people go off the “we shall punish you for posting elsewhere!” deep end, you’re showing your unwashed ass.
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@thenomain Yes, that post. I don't know what to tell you. 'Hey I am making a big show of us not supporting this thing.' Do I need to link you a news clip of a politician denouncing a thing they've been accused of/implied to have association with, for you to get how 'We don't support this thing' can be a kind of denial? Its very common language.
@wolfs Obviously the whole idea (as has been discussed previously, I think in this thread) of MSB hit squads is laughable and the games that tend to worry about it are usually run by paranoid dictators.
But they do have players that aren't. While I don't think it changes much, it's hard to see any net positive in the post. It certainly doesn't seem worthy of dusting off the MOD VOICE, particularly where my general opinion throughout this thread is that modding should be sparing. It shouldn't be for when @Auspice thinks her opinion needs to be louder.
@mietze Maybe. It definitely didn't make it better. As above, my feeling is that the threshold for moderation needs to be higher than 'I'm just gonna say a useless thing that definitely won't help, but, uh, I guess it doesn't hurt much either? also implied authority I don't have.'
