Kushiel's Debut
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@ixokai said in Kushiel's Debut:
@VulgarKitten said in Kushiel's Debut:
@Sunny said in Kushiel's Debut:
As for getting people involved on TR, there were plenty of people bitching because you (and the others) were doing the exact opposite.
That's great. I didn't make everybody happy, the way I did things didn't. The fact of the matter is that I put a great deal of effort into trying to include people. Seriously. Open-to-everyone scenes every other weekend covering Metaplot 101, then sharing any new information people had. Me plot-hoarding and being exclusive is literally the furthest thing from the truth. You can bitch all day about how it was a bad effort or that I should have done something else instead, but you seriously cannot truthfully say I excluded people. There was a total of one person that was, due to their IC behavior, ICly not allowed to come to the meetings. One.
Not the way it appeared to a group of us Dunlins who were excluded, despite asking to be included.
Sorry, got to say: everyone was invited to those metaplot spreading scenes. Everyone. I was there for at least half of them. (And my character was the one had to be reined in to keep them open)
Not the game-wide metaplot meetings. Those ones were open. The Dunlin Elder portion of it. There was side plot that none of us save the Dunlin Elders and their +1's were invited to. And for the record? I'm of the belief that not everyone can be in every plot. Boo hoo that we were excluded. Was it fun? No. Was it the end of the world and cause for storming off the MU in a huff? Nah.
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@VulgarKitten Okay. You have fun in babytown frolic land. Given how far you've gone into not-true, there's not even a point discussing it any further.
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Ok guys. This is a 'He-said she-said' situation, without logs we can't be sure what happened. However, a lot of this happened a long time ago and human memory is super faulty. You could both be right and wrong, but this conversation is literally going nowhere.
It's clear there's some bitterness on both sides though. Maybe you both just need to breath and go your separate way for a while. Nothing good will come of this, just stress for you both.
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@VulgarKitten Yet important enough to you still to bring up almost 2 years later...
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@Shlappy said in Kushiel's Debut:
@VulgarKitten Yet important enough to you still to bring up almost 2 years later...
To illustrate the hypocrisy here. For that, yep, it was important enough to bring up. I could have just said it was hypocrisy without providing an example but that seems kind of silly.
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@VulgarKitten said in Kushiel's Debut:
@Shlappy said in Kushiel's Debut:
@VulgarKitten Yet important enough to you still to bring up almost 2 years later...
To illustrate the hypocrisy here. For that, yep, it was important enough to bring up. I could have just said it was hypocrisy without providing an example but that seems kind of silly.
There is a significant difference between 'the only staff run plot scene on the game in months' and 'one specific side plot' and I'm sorry you don't seem to get that. There's also a really significant difference between the Spider-situation and what happened on KD. If you really think that e-mail or the FB messages were appropriate, I'm not really sure what to say to you.
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Three Oaks is quite literally right next door to the Dunlin House, on the opposite side of Cati's place. In the last six months or so, it's gone from a wreck to a rather beautiful manor house; the stated intention was to renovate and repair, and it looks like they've really achieved it. It's reasonably well known throughout the family that Lili manages a rather ginormous household of people, some of whom are family but most of them are not. Catching her at home, not a for sure thing, but tonight she is here, lounging around in front of the television watching some mindless home improvement show.
There is a knock of the door, the sound hopefully loud enough to carry to the lady of the manor. Lara waits on the other side of the door, bundled up like a goth in winter. In one black-gloved hand is a bottle of bourbon, dangling absently as the eyeliner-loving Lara waits to be admitted.
Rolling her eyes, Lili lifts her head and looks, like she expects whoever it is to just open the door and walk in. When that doesn't happen she -- completely without an audience, mind -- exhales an over the top melodramatic sigh, dragging herself over to tug it open. She's wearing black fleece pants and a pale yellow t-shirt, her hair a little bit ruffled. Still, she pulls it off well. There's a moment of staring when she sees Lara on the other side of the open door, and then she's stepping back and waving a hand in invitation. "Hey," she greets. "Come on in, it's cold. What's up?" Weary, those words.
"Peace offering," Lara says without any pre-amble, extending the bottle of bourbon out as she steps forward and into the beautiful manorhouse, a sheepish look gracing the delicate slant of her rosy cheekbones. "For Thanksgiving. I didn't mean to ruin it." She gives a shiver, acclimatizing in the warmth of the house, her green-eyed gaze sweeping first Soleil, and then the foyer. "This place is beautiful. So much better than it was."
"Oh," Lili answers, taking the bottle and glancing at it, then back up. The door is closed, and she's turning to pad over in the direction of the bar. "Thank you. You didn't ruin it, though. Not by yourself, at least. Did Catriona get a bottle of bourbon, as well?" She slips behind the bar, finding an appropriate spot for the bottle on the shelves there. "At least it was just arguing, rather than -- other insanity. There were no zombies, nobody tried to burn the house down, nobody got shot or even shot at. Pretty mild family holiday, all told."
Lara's very pale brows shoot up high on her forehead, both soaring there like wings for a long moment. "Zombies are fairly common around these parts?" she queries, watching the woman as she moves away, eyes tracking, possibly faint with approval. "As for Catriona getting a bottle... not sure I'm sorry to her, yet. That's why I'm here, aside from apologizing to you, since you were hostess. I'd like to try and understand why she went off the handle. I heard she's had a rough time lately?" Her fingers toy with the zipper of the puffy black coat idly, eyes staying on Soleil.
"Yes," Lili replies mildly, glancing back at Laura for a moment before she gestures the woman further in. "You can hang your coat up in the closet there, mind the shotgun. Would you like a drink?" She turns back to the bar, setting about getting herself some juice and vodka poured. "Her fiance cheated on her, they broke it off at the altar. Amongst other things. And she went off like she did because people were ganging up on her."
'Mind the shotgun' Lara mouths with a wry, friendly smile as she finally unzips and slips out of the puffy coat. Underneath, there is just a lot of black leather and red satin. It's a dress, of sorts. The top is crimson satin corset, studded of course, the bottom is black leather, full length, covering the winter boots she slips out of. "She didn't know he was cheating on her till they got to the altar?" Lara queries in surprise. "That's in bad taste. Some men."
"No, I think she knew before, but it all came out at the altar," Lili answers, picking her drink up and heading back for the couch. Holmes on Homes is turned off, the remote set aside before she settles down to sit. "I don't really know what happened, but I do know it's been rough, and I do know I'm the last person you want to criticize her to if you're actually here to make peace. Cati isn't just my cousin, she's one of my best friends."
Lara holds up both hands like she's being robbed as she follows Soleil, foregoing the drink and settling down on the couch not far from the other Dunlin. "I was criticizing him, not her." She cocks her multi-coloured head, staring at Soleil with those cut-glass perceptive eyes. "I feel like you're determined not to like me. I promise, I'm not so bad. I was just defending my brother. I respect that you were defending Catriona." There's a smile that follows that, as Lara plaits her fingers together on the leather skirt covering her lap.
"And if I wasn't determined to not like you, accusing me of it is helpful how?" Lili asks, lifting her eyebrows lightly, her own expression one of simple calm. She shakes her head, takes another drink from her glass. "My objecting to your behavior at dinner the other night does not mean that I am determined to not like you. The issue I took with your actions towards Catriona would probably have not put me off of you as much as they did had you not spent the first half of dinner discussing Barnabas's penis after others had dropped the subject, which made me incredibly uncomfortable, and frankly made me want to claw your eyes out." It's all said entirely conversationally, like she's talking about snow in the Winter in Maine. What? Yes, of course there's snow.
Lara has that same look of calm-it must run in the family. "I spoke about my newest book, with a nympho vampire as the title character. Belle mentioned that Baranabas played one on television, though he stated he didn't. Catriona brought up Barnabas's penis to begin with, mentioning that he flashed it on an episode. I said nothing. Maddox brought it up again. I said 'Oh, well if you're offering'. And then I said nothing more on the subject." She stares at Soleil. "I have an eidetic memory. But, clearly it's got you upset, then, even if that's not what happened. I'm sorry."
<OOC> Lara says, "Sorry, took me a minute to review the log :)"
Which is when I reviewed the log to make sure I hadn't actually done what Soleil seemed to think Lara had IC at the aforementioned scene (I hadn't), was told by someone OOC what was happening (because apparently she had already started bad mouthing me to them), and then asked to peace out. It was a great second scene on a game I had just joined.
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@VulgarKitten I can dig that, but a.) it does nothing to illustrate the actual problems on the game we're currently discussing on this thread b.) you've actually managed to detract from this conversation with your laser focus on a thing that you might be remembering in a bit of a revisionist's light and c.) if you wanted to smear someone over a game 2 years ago, you know you can always take that to the Hog Pit.
I can dig that you had interpersonal problems with @Sunny, @VulgarKitten, but is this really the proper thread to air them in? C'mon.
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@VulgarKitten Yeah. That was a terribly unpleasant scene. You got me, anyone would've asked me for a FTB after that. Gosh, I'd forgotten how mean Lili was.
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@Shlappy She brought up the interpersonal problems in response to my critique of the KD situation. Then called my recollection of the events false. Hence the log.
@Sunny Yeah, it was unpleasant to have someone draw you into their OOC relationship drama the second scene on a new MU. I'm glad you noticed that. And you did apologize for it later on. So had you not brought it up, I wouldn't have, either.Returning to your regularly scheduled program of how I started this in response to the KD issue. Anyone else? Thoughts? I've rage-quit a MU or two in my time so I get it. But that's what this seems like to me. A kind of hypocritical rage-quit.
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@VulgarKitten said in Kushiel's Debut:
Thoughts? I've rage-quit a MU or two in my time so I get it. But that's what this seems like to me. A kind of hypocritical rage-quit.
I know of @Sunny's involvement with KD. It was extensive as a player, and then as staff. That's why this subject is touchy and rage-inducing.
It blows when you work so hard to promote a group or cause, only to find out it's actually an exclusionary clap-trap that has shat on a bunch of people that you told would have a good time and not be shat on. Like if you suddenly realized that your presidential nominee is a racist, misogynist blow-hard that'd sooner put you in jail or deport you than to actually listen to any of the meaningful advice you have to offer.
I don't get so emotionally invested. I don't rage-quit. @Sunny's got every right to, and her reasoning is made more sound from @Skaldia's reaction here.
“It is better to live doing the things that you like. It is foolish to live within this dream of a world seeing unpleasantness and doing only things that you do not like.” -- Yamamoto Tsunetomo.
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@VulgarKitten said in Kushiel's Debut:
@Shlappy said in Kushiel's Debut:
@VulgarKitten Yet important enough to you still to bring up almost 2 years later...
To illustrate the hypocrisy here. For that, yep, it was important enough to bring up. I could have just said it was hypocrisy without providing an example but that seems kind of silly.
So the Dunlin stuff was scheduled to coincide with "the most important IC social event of the year" ?
And weather Sunny is guilty of doing the same thing in the past is really less of an issue, lets talk KD, was this important plat ending scene publicly posted in advance? I have not heard it was and not of the defenders so far has mentioned that it was. It definitely was set for a time that would create scheduling conflicts for folks.
No not every person can get involved in every plot but when the scene that ends a major meta plot ends up being populated by mostly staff alts and friends. (Which I will point out the defenders have also not denied) while there is a social scene going on to keep the plebs busy, that is gonna raise a lot of eyebrows. And while there is no way to prove it was designed that way and that the game is therefore a total sandbox, but it sure is walking like a duck and qwacking up a storm so I have no problem calling it a duck. -
@Ganymede said in Kushiel's Debut:
Like if you suddenly realized that your presidential nominee is a racist, misogynist blow-hard that'd sooner put you in jail or deport you than to actually listen to any of the meaningful advice you have to offer.
This is pretty close to Godwin's Law. Might wanna curb that analogy a little bit. Or not. Whatever.
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@Ganymede said in Kushiel's Debut:
I don't get so emotionally invested. I don't rage-quit. @Sunny's got every right to, and her reasoning is made more sound from @Skaldia's reaction here.
Actually, from what was said, she didn't rage-quit either. She said she'd be taking a week's break then got back to find her character frozen.
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What is it about lord and lady games that turns admins into dumb, petty ninnies?
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@BigDaddyAmin I feel like you are singularly qualified to elucidate why L & L games make you froth and hold on to things for years like a petty ninny.
That said, this pages-long hubbub about what might or might not have happened in an IC scene on the Reach ages ago is kind of bizarre.
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Did we not get pretend-sex today or something?
It is a simple observation. I haven't posted in some time and I think it is a valid question. There is something about these games that turn their admins into raging power-hungry beasts.
But you all continue. Don't let me keep ya'll from beating each other with reeds and flails while circlejerking. Love as thou wilt or whatever the fuck.
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@VulgarKitten Well, the perception on my part is that you saw an opportunity to pick on someone you clearly don't like for reasons you've clearly been holding onto for a while. I could absolutely be wrong, but those airs are fairly palpable.
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@BigDaddyAmin That's a good question. Possibly? I haven't ever played another L&L type of game before this one. I can only speak for my experiences with Skaldia. Which are mostly pleasant to your face. I've been clued in to his absolutely irrational rage-fits behind the scenes over some pretty ridiculous, innocuous things.
Shy? Self-image issues? Meh. That's between him and his shrink.
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Well, leave it to @Sunny for bringing me out of torpor with some regular d'Angeline fuckery.
