Jun 30, 2020, 2:26 AM
Diversity Representation in MU*ing
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@GreenFlashlight said in Diversity Representation in MU*ing:
@TheBigD said in Diversity Representation in MU*ing:
The more reasonable people are the ones who would take things at face value, and not assume the worst.
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@TheBigD said in Diversity Representation in MU*ing:
The point is that back in the day, the more reasonable people would be willing to have a discussion about the implications of a white person portraying a black person in a roleplaying game.
How can you both take things at face value and have a discussion about implications, unless your stance is there are no implications so the discussion shouldn't happen?
When I say take things at face value, I mean to not make assumptions and flip out. "Okay, dude wants to play X, so let's hear their reasoning and what they want to get out of it." over "Okay, dude wants to play X, ban his ass because obviously he's a Y."
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@TheBigD said in Diversity Representation in MU*ing:
"Okay, dude wants to play X, ban his ass because obviously he's a Y."
Where does this happen?
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@Three-Eyed-Crow said in Diversity Representation in MU*ing:
@TheBigD said in Diversity Representation in MU*ing:
"Okay, dude wants to play X, ban his ass because obviously he's a Y."
Where does this happen?
@TheBigD said in Diversity Representation in MU*ing:
"Okay, dude wants to play X, so let's hear their reasoning and what they want to get out of it."
Or this.
You know in practice what actually happens is that nobody gives a fuck who or what you play until you do something overtly racist/misogynistic/queerphobic with your character archetype, like giving your Jewish character a hunchback and a hooked nose and making them a diabolical banker with gold telekinesis powers, at which point someone rightfully calls you out and you can do one of two things:
- 'oh my bad I did not think critically about how this would look, you are right to point out I am furthering antisemitic stereotypes and although that was not my intention, I will take steps to rectify this mistake and educate myself so I can do better in future.'
- 'omg how dare you call me racist that's so insensitive not everyone who disagrees with you is racist why are SJW snowflakes so easily triggered these days, I need a safe space away from these mean callout culture PC brigade unfairly accusing me of racism for your information my half-grandma was Jewish and so is my best friend's dog's vet.'
In the free marketplace of ideas I could not possibly make a judgement call as to which is the better response, just you know, think about it a bit and do some soul-searching and hopefully you'll arrive at the left conclusion.
But I'm just saying, actually nobody has ever asked me why I sometimes play men & non-binary people even though I'm neither of those, or sometimes use Maggie Q and Zoë Kravitz as played-bys even though I'm not black or Vietnamese either. Someone once told me to change one word in my description as (unbeknownst to me) its usage is sometimes controversial so I just did that and then everything was fine. MU cancel brigade, where you at? I'm waiting.
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@Kestrel said in Diversity Representation in MU*ing:
like giving your Jewish character a hunchback and a hooked nose and making them a diabolical banker with gold telekinesis powers,
Ooh! Or a diabolical Israeli banker vampire with designs on undermining foreign nations on this site as part of their game pitch!
(Pepperidge Farm remembers.)
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@insomniac7809 said in Diversity Representation in MU*ing:
@Kestrel said in Diversity Representation in MU*ing:
like giving your Jewish character a hunchback and a hooked nose and making them a diabolical banker with gold telekinesis powers,
Ooh! Or a diabolical Israeli banker vampire with designs on undermining foreign nations on this site as part of their game pitch!
(Pepperidge Farm remembers.)
I beg your pardon?
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Ancient drama archive for your headdesking pleasure, because who needs craniums anyway amirite.
EDIT: sry @insomniac7809 ninja'd u like the sneaky jew i am
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@GreenFlashlight said in Diversity Representation in MU*ing:
@insomniac7809 said in Diversity Representation in MU*ing:
@Kestrel said in Diversity Representation in MU*ing:
like giving your Jewish character a hunchback and a hooked nose and making them a diabolical banker with gold telekinesis powers,
Ooh! Or a diabolical Israeli banker vampire with designs on undermining foreign nations on this site as part of their game pitch!
(Pepperidge Farm remembers.)
I beg your pardon?
Were you not here for that?
So yeah, it's been a couple years, but one of our recurring trolls put up an advertisement for a Discord V:tR game he wanted to run. One of his sample characters was, uh, what I described above plus also it was his Nosferatu example character.
People pointed out how ridiculously anti-Semitic it was, he doubled down, fights, bannings, a meltdown from a poster who tried to join his game, yadda yadda. It was a thing.
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@Kestrel said in Diversity Representation in MU*ing:EDIT: sry @insomniac7809 ninja'd u like the sneaky jew i am
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NINJEWS!
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@saosmash
Do they utilize jew jitsu?Also, I don't recall that thread, probably because I lost complete interest when it was a Discord server.
Ceterum autem censeo Carthaginem esse delendam
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@Ominous said in Diversity Representation in MU*ing:
@saosmash
Do they utilize jew jitsu?We utilise Krav Maga and throwing-stars of David
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@Kestrel said in Diversity Representation in MU*ing:
Ancient drama archive for your headdesking pleasure, because who needs craniums anyway amirite.
I'm on page two. Why am I still reading this? What is actually wrong with me?
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@GreenFlashlight
Rubbernecking. You can't look away from the train wreck. -
@Pacha said in Diversity Representation in MU*ing:
On the subject of roster games I know there have been problems in Arx, for example, of people taking non-white characters off the roster and just rewriting them as white. Though I believe staff there have cracked down on this a lot.
I don't recall ever seeing a specifically non-cishet roster character on Arx. There are plenty of characters that specifically mention heterosexual stuff "He was always flirting with ladies" or so forth, but I can't remember ever seeing a roster character specifically written as LGBT.
Backtracking the thread a bit here, because when I read this little section of the thread (not just @Pacha's post, but the ensuing discussion) it got me thinking a bit.
I was already in the process of drawing up some ideas to add rosters to Redreef, and decided to just go for it and make one of them no-maybes-about-it transgender. Because, well, someone had to be the first, I suppose, so hopefully there will be more.
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@reversed It's a beautiful CG and I'm v glad you did it.
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Lol, I was confused why I was getting upvotes on a years old thread suddenly. Confusion alleviated.
Reincarnation #132 banned yet?
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@bored said in Diversity Representation in MU*ing:
Lol, I was confused why I was getting upvotes on a years old thread suddenly. Confusion alleviated.
I like to show my appreciation for good posts.
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@GreenFlashlight said in Diversity Representation in MU*ing:
@Kestrel said in Diversity Representation in MU*ing:
Ancient drama archive for your headdesking pleasure, because who needs craniums anyway amirite.
I'm on page two. Why am I still reading this? What is actually wrong with me?
I was wondering why ancient posts were suddenly getting upvoted
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LOL same, as to the upvotes.
I'm glad the umm questions to that troll have aged well, even as the troll is hopefully gone.