The limits of IC/OOC responsibility
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@thenomain said in The limits of IC/OOC responsibility:
Staff also don't always take a moment to consider whether or not an outcome should happen.
I was not clear before, but I, more often that not, consider staff to be players.
“It is better to live doing the things that you like. It is foolish to live within this dream of a world seeing unpleasantness and doing only things that you do not like.” -- Yamamoto Tsunetomo.
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@ganymede said in The limits of IC/OOC responsibility:
@thenomain said in The limits of IC/OOC responsibility:
Staff also don't always take a moment to consider whether or not an outcome should happen.
I was not clear before, but I, more often that not, consider staff to be players.
If I can change your mind on a topic, then I feel like I am not completely bad at logic.
(To others: Gany and I have been going back and forth on this for maybe a decade.)
“If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.”
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@thenomain said in The limits of IC/OOC responsibility:
If I can change your mind on a topic, then I feel like I am not completely bad at logic.
The result does not prove causation.
“It is better to live doing the things that you like. It is foolish to live within this dream of a world seeing unpleasantness and doing only things that you do not like.” -- Yamamoto Tsunetomo.
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@ganymede said in The limits of IC/OOC responsibility:
@thenomain said in The limits of IC/OOC responsibility:
If I can change your mind on a topic, then I feel like I am not completely bad at logic.
The result does not prove causation.
Still taking credit. Stealing it, really.
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@surreality said in The limits of IC/OOC responsibility:
@darinelle This.
This is absolutely a thing that happens, and it is maddening.
"That is clearly not the author's intent!!!"
"I am the author. You're wrong."
"I'm not wrong!" <continues making the same argument, usually with 'you're just changing it then because... ' accusation, the low-hanging fruit of this logic>
This is the reason I buy vodka, in a nutshell.
That I have never broken down and just trolled anyone pulling the 'not the author's intent' card when I am the author with, "What do you think the intent was?" "Really? Interesting!" and instead go with, "How can I make this more clear so this misunderstanding does not recur? Is there something you think would help clarify here?" is one of the hardest tidbits of integrity to hang on to, some days.
Sometimes I just let them misunderstand, because they're not going to hear me and any attempts I've made require more access to information they don't have. From a GM perspective, they can be wrong and misunderstand ICly and that's ok, and OOCly they're not hearing me so... they're just ICly wrong and maybe one day they'll realize it and maybe one day they won't but the setting is the setting is the setting, regardless.
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@darinelle said in The limits of IC/OOC responsibility:
@surreality said in The limits of IC/OOC responsibility:
@darinelle This.
This is absolutely a thing that happens, and it is maddening.
"That is clearly not the author's intent!!!"
"I am the author. You're wrong."
"I'm not wrong!" <continues making the same argument, usually with 'you're just changing it then because... ' accusation, the low-hanging fruit of this logic>
This is the reason I buy vodka, in a nutshell.
That I have never broken down and just trolled anyone pulling the 'not the author's intent' card when I am the author with, "What do you think the intent was?" "Really? Interesting!" and instead go with, "How can I make this more clear so this misunderstanding does not recur? Is there something you think would help clarify here?" is one of the hardest tidbits of integrity to hang on to, some days.
Sometimes I just let them misunderstand, because they're not going to hear me and any attempts I've made require more access to information they don't have. From a GM perspective, they can be wrong and misunderstand ICly and that's ok, and OOCly they're not hearing me so... they're just ICly wrong and maybe one day they'll realize it and maybe one day they won't but the setting is the setting is the setting, regardless.
The fact you're trying to help as staff rather than gaslight the shit out of them speaks to your favor, at any rate.
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@deadculture I mean I always /try/ to help. Sometimes it's just not possible.
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People can get very invested in their wrong ideas, which makes sense since they came up with them themselves.
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@darinelle said in The limits of IC/OOC responsibility:
@deadculture I mean I always /try/ to help. Sometimes it's just not possible.
Knowing that limit is one of the few true talents of making this hobby work. Congratulations on somehow being both understanding and reasonable. If you can teach this skill to those willing to learn, you'd probably do quite a bit of good.
“If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.”
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@thenomain said in The limits of IC/OOC responsibility:
@darinelle said in The limits of IC/OOC responsibility:
@deadculture I mean I always /try/ to help. Sometimes it's just not possible.
Knowing that limit is one of the few true talents of making this hobby work. Congratulations on somehow being both understanding and reasonable. If you can teach this skill to those willing to learn, you'd probably do quite a bit of good.
I mean, I always /try/ to help. Sometimes it's just not possible. (LOL. I struggle with it too - but I'm getting better at it with age.)
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@saosmash said in The limits of IC/OOC responsibility:
People can get very invested in their wrong ideas, which makes sense since they came up with them themselves.
We call them "textualists."
