TS - Danger zone

Auspice

So I'm only opposed to TS being posted because of how many people (myself included!) that read wikis at work. And while there is tagging (thanks, Fara, for including that in a recent update!), people don't always remember to tag.

No one wants inconsistency to lead to trouble. (And I guess sure there's the 'don't read at work,' but lol we all gonna anyway and what about during breaks? lunch? etc.)

Anyhow: so many people log errthing these days that I just assume the TS is logged.

Ghost

I think it's simple.

People get characters approved on a specific game
The IC actions and stories of those characters on that game are considered game content
Secret game content that isn't sharable (with staff at the minimum due to metagaming evidence) due to it being considered personal isn't game content

Every scene on a game should be readable, or at least okay for staff to read.

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Derp

@Coin said in TS - Danger zone:

I mean on the other hand posting a log and sharing it doesn't automatically mean someone else has to read it. Nobody is making you read that stuff.
Perv.

To be fair, I don't really read-read any of the logs. I just skim for synopsis.

Ghost

@RDC said in TS - Danger zone:

Hard disagree, if only because you shouldn't expect staff to be willing to read everything ~~people~~ the characters who are totally not extensions of the players find enjoyable

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If TS is in-character and has no OOC bleed, the tastes of the characters are in play, and are not in any way personally revealing of the players' own private desires

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Ghost

@RDC So if you and I were to (have characters who) TS'ed it would be, in part, you and I having a sexual experience between each other as OOC entities?

Crawfish

I'M PRETTY SERIOUS DAMMIT.

Rinel

I come closest to @RDC on the issue, though I think they and I somewhat disagree on the ideal societal nature of it, what with me being rather personally prudish on the matter.

If we're going to have a discussion about writing erotic fiction collaboratively, we need to accept that almost all societies view sexual activity as unique, and American society views it as especially private to the point of being taboo. Whether or not one agrees with that is not really all that relevant, if the discussion is how TS works in the context of larger interpersonal dynamics.

It also means that most analogies to other kinds of human behavior are going to fail, because they simply aren't going to be appropriately analogous. I understand that we have our characters murder people and we don't murder people. I understand that we have our characters do all sorts of things that we don't do. But I think we should admit that certain behaviors between humans can lead to strong feelings of intimacy (go sing a duet with someone. or dance with them. You're gonna feel something, even if you're waltzing the most chaste waltz ever waltzed), even when those behaviors aren't happening face to face.

Personally, I felt weird having my character engage in a romantic relationship with another character while I was dating someone. My girlfriend knew about it and was not opposed, so I continued--but I (and I believe she, though I never felt the need to ask) would have felt like I was cheating had I not done FTBs when things got steamy.

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Jeshin

Question

I log everything into a master log automatically once I start playing a game. Is people being uncomfortable with TS being logged because it might be posted or is it the actual thought of it being saved somewhere?

Crawfish

@reversed I need samples and two references you won't get weird on me. And then you choose the vehicle: email or sandboxing in an MU of your choice.

Everyone else: STILL TAKING RESUMES.

Ghost

@Jeshin said in TS - Danger zone:

Question

I log everything into a master log automatically once I start playing a game. Is people being uncomfortable with TS being logged because it might be posted or is it the actual thought of it being saved somewhere?

Its more a rhetorical question that delves into Danger Zone

Jeshin

@Ghost

No I get that I'm asking if the rhetorical answer is logging is bad or posting logs is bad.

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Arkandel

@RDC said in TS - Danger zone:

Characters are ENTIRELY extensions of the players, whether it's sex or not.

Okay, let's test the hypothesis.

Folks, please be honest (if you want to be). When it comes to TS how much are your characters' preferences typically an extension of your own OOC ones?

I don't mean that just in the vanilla way - i.e. that they have the same sexual orientation as you do - although that can apply as well. More specifically, whatever your kinks might be, do your PCs tend to have the same ones or not?

Ghost

@Jeshin said in TS - Danger zone:

@Ghost

No I get that I'm asking if the rhetorical answer is logging is bad or posting logs is bad.

If you're asking me specifically?

I don't think anything that happens IC should be something that you're ashamed of other people reading. If you're nervous about being logged without consent, it's worth meditating on. On the other side of the coin if you default log everything it comes down to the reasons why.

So that you can go back and remember stuff or have a rolling log for reference material I think is fairly reasonable. If it's not for that reason it may be worth meditating on.

Auspice

@SinCerely said in TS - Danger zone:

@reversed I need samples and two references you won't get weird on me. And then you choose the vehicle: email or sandboxing in an MU of your choice.

Everyone else: STILL TAKING RESUMES.

smoke signals or gtfo

Sunny

@Arkandel said in TS - Danger zone:

@RDC said in TS - Danger zone:

Characters are ENTIRELY extensions of the players, whether it's sex or not.

Okay, let's test the hypothesis.

Folks, please be honest (if you want to be). When it comes to TS how much are your characters' preferences typically an extension of your own OOC ones?

I don't mean that just in the vanilla way - i.e. that they have the same sexual orientation as you do - although that can apply as well. More specifically, whatever your kinks might be, do your PCs tend to have the same ones or not?

Once upon a time, I ended up having a huge blow up with a person who I played with semi-regularly over his inability to accept that because he knew I liked something in the bedroom, and a character of mine reacted violently (after his PC was ICly warned, even). It ultimately ended with me having to block him on discord and elsewhere because it ultimately came out how very very thin the IC/OOC separation was for him.