The ethics of IC Romance and TS is all about managing expectations. If you're going to be 100% IC, you need to be 100% IC. If this means you're cheating and you have crazy hawt seches and have some hickies, you need to RP covering them up or they get spotted. If you're going to have OOC collab you need to be upfront. OOC collab means that you are writing a story together and just like writers in a meeting you're pitching ideas and discussing story threads. This includes any negative drama you want to explore. If you want to go some IC/OOC hybrid because you're chatting and coordinating playtimes and you banter a bit. You just need to be honest. Don't mislead your RP partner. If honesty leads to hurt feelings that sucks but you're not a creeper or abuser if you don't try and obscure or manipulate. You might be an asshole, but I think there is a fundamental difference between being an ass and victimizing your RP partners.

Privacy in MUs is very misleading. Not only are you sending information to a server run by strangers but there is no means of recourse to preserve your privacy. Just like this forum I don't use a password here that links to anything important to me. I don't expect my IP to be private if the forum closes and the owner wants 5 dollars for selling the list of IPs and emails >_>

You can advocate for respecting privacy but there is still the reality that people should take actions assuming their privacy isn't going to be respected.

PS - I still find it odd that MUSH players expect game owners to be unable to see everything that happens on their games. I still just assume every command I enter include quit and RP posts gets saved to a runlog somewhere even though I've been assured in multiple threads that isn't how things work in MUSH circles.

@HelloProject

Find trusted opinion(s) and have them look over or at least describe your work to them. After feedback and/or interest check in concept then consider how many people would you need to make this work? During this stage consider codebase since that will heavily impact the staffing required and some fundamental culture aspects.

If your trusted opinion(s) are positive. If you believe you have the staffing power to maintain it for the desired length of time. If you have an idea of which codebase you'd like then the next step is to setup a server, get hosting, read the wiki documentation to transition your google doc stuff to an alpha environment.

@groth

Enervated_Nihilist <--- reddit user name
Enervation <--- new account

Only activity, upvoting Rememberance who had complaints about Clarity and Kestrel and was stating that Azazello was respecting her boundaries in Haven because etc etc. Seems like a fairly intuitive leap to make.

Mob mentality whitelist/blacklisting is probably not a good thing for a hobby wherein there is enough drama to keep a forum running 24/7.

@Bananerz

Hey,

When I was theorycrafting with Ares on DigitalOcean I used the service where the developer of Ares would help you set it up and everything. There is also a discord you can hit up.

@insomniac7809

Agree, relevant information based on what a character could or would know via @mail or @emit/pose whatever means you use to convey it or a straightup ooc you would know this. I suppose when I said 100% IC, I meant no OOC planning or collaboration but you have to tell them what they'd know somehow.

EDIT - Like being spotted at a club on grid in public or your sweet leather jacket that was a gift was cut off you in a fit of passion. So that item is missing or gone. Not sleeping in the same room like normal, soandso didn't come home last night FYI.

Ageplay as a kink or sexual preference is fundamentally different to the situation in MUs with ageplayers.

Ageplay IRL is ideally between two adults wishing to do their thing the way they like. If for some reason one of them could become a 15 year old in physicality I think there'd begin to be an issue. Why does this matter? Scenes of an adult fucking a minor are fundamentally different than an adult fucking an adult dressing/behaving like a minor. You can argue they are both forms of roleplay but I'd disagree.

Also to claim there is no solution because if we don't allow it they'll just go somewhere else and do it... Good. By restricting the places that grooming or inappropriate normalization occur you keep it from becoming commonplace. Keep it to private chats or niche discord channels. Keep it off games that advertise a free for all come and play here for cyberpunk. I mean personally I view Cyberrun as a shang. There is no other reason that in its elevator pitch blurb it would so prominently discuss being able to be a minor while mentally an adult.

PS - If you look at the idents (these are bodies you can slide into) many of them discuss mental conditioning and experiencing blah blah blah. That means within setting using an ident (or sleeve alter carbon) you can take on the mental capacity or quirks of it. Which means you're no longer mentally an adult which in an underage ident?

If you're going to name and shame someone on MSB, have the decency to at least try and speak to them directly first. I know a lot of people in the community have long 'relationships' from interactions on past games but many a time you'll see people going I had no idea, you could have just told me and they apologize and try to fix the behavior. Whether it's fixed in a longterm manner, iunno but you could always try and one on one it before you go for group shaming.

EDIT - Replace all variant of you and you're with people... That'll probably read better.

Better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.

I don't think anyone has said that it should be standardized across all MUs current and in development so isn't this just like any other policy ever? Staff preference and willingness to take on extra work?

@greenflashlight

Ex pat rates are on the rise!

More realistically the ability to create a competing forum with hypothetically more ethical moderators is easier than creating a country in which to live with a more ethical government. Also the barrier of entry to website ownership vs international travel is pretty spread.

@rightmeow

I'm going to take a swing at point #2 and see if I'm right.

When dealing with any community primarily based on debate/communication there is an issue of spirit of a rule vs the written rule. A classic example of this is the Supreme Court stating you know it when you see it in relation to... Obscenity (had to google that one). So in the event someone is clearly (to the moderator) violating the spirit of the rule the enforcement is done whether or not it violates the written rule.

While this obviously opens up to the favoritism, double standards, and tyranny angle of concern the answer to that is simple. If you believe the moderators would execute the spirit of the rule inappropriately than why would you stay? Just because they have written in that they won't be limited to the letter of the rule but the spirit of it doesn't mean they are seizing power. There is no higher authority on the forum than the moderators so them being up front and telling you that technicalities won't save you doesn't mean if they had not been up front about it that they would have restrained themselves or acted differently.

TLDR - If you believe the moderators would be unethical or unfair than any answer to the question is moot.

@solstice What is your budget like because there are some sound proofing options that should be able to mitigate 30% of your noise for 1000 USD with a normal sized bedroom.

@devrex

My desired experience is to escape the burdens of a dissatisfying work, family, and sex life to replace it with simulated romances that I carefully craft to fulfill my emotional needs. Then, should I find disappointment will attack it as a personal slight against me and then obsess over needing to find "safe" roleplay, which means pigeonholing my online activities to players and roleplay situations that will fulfill these needs, but do so under the guise of it being their fault and not mine.

TLDR - Roleplay is Escapism

https://youtu.be/PL_JaTtsZLw

@groth

Enervated_Nihilist <--- reddit user name
Enervation <--- new account

Only activity, upvoting Rememberance who had complaints about Clarity and Kestrel and was stating that Azazello was respecting her boundaries in Haven because etc etc. Seems like a fairly intuitive leap to make.

@faraday

Is the Shopping Cart theory even real, it seems like a kind of tongue in cheek this is something we see everyday thing to make a point. People don't take overly simplified examples as real do they?

@kireek

Why BDs and why the topic matter they selected for them?

Cyberpunk as a genre is about the commodification of humanity and everything else.

The ability to save and replay and edit a life experience for consumer pleasure is commodification.

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There is a story separate from the main storyline wherein you are hired to kill someone. When you track them down you find they are very odd and have the crazy or holy thing going on. You find out that a BD production company (a corp) is getting this guy out of jail and off death row because he wants to be crucified for real as part of a message he believes he needs to send to the world. This man is a murderer who killed several people.

There are multiple points in this storyline wherein you can try and convince him to stop. I didn't. I opted not to encourage or discourage but to support. As a player I wanted to see whether this character would realize he is being played. This side mission also inspires a lot of dialogue with Johnny which is interesting.

At the end of this storyline you opt into telling him he shouldn't NOT be crucified and can even HAMMER THE NAILS INTO HIM YOURSELF while parts of scripture are recited. It is 100% super duper ultra clear that the corporation paying for this and recording this BD is doing so because he is a true believer and sincerity is something in high value for BDs.
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BDs are a cheap and dirty way to get very in your face with players that peoples lives and experiences and even their sincere beliefs are turned into experiences/commodities not just for corporations but for the population that buy them from corporations. Thus why CDPR picks very obviously morally wrong things.

Cyberpunk is not really an open world game. It's a game with a story. In the underlying tabletop game which Cyberpunk 2077 is based on there are more stats than the 6 you have access too.

They restrict these stats because they have to do with who you are as a character and despite all the dialogue options and life path choices you can make with V the developers clearly retain the creative control of what story they are telling with that character.

Why does this matter?

That BD section is part of the game. It's part of the narrative of the game. You can argue it's almost a required portion of the game. This is the same game where I can run over an entire crowd of civilians and then just outrun the police. The same game where I can gun down an enemy and see they are clearly still alive on the ground (but incapped) and put one in their head (you know they were alive because dmg will appear when you shoot the body and they stop moving).

You cannot tell me that watching a BD snuff film is more morally hazardous than all the wonton violence I can get involved in. Like there is literally

I don't know how spoilers work, but if I did I'd finish the above thought.

Is Potato client being maintained for new Mac releases?