TS - Danger zone
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@Roz said in TS - Danger zone:
The long and short of it is that some people want a fair amount of OOC negotiation and some people want none.
This. AAAAALLLLLLLLLL of this.
Get paged 'hey, we should bone' Alright, yeah, we've got a similar circle of OOC friends. Where should we meet? 'Go to the gloryhole' Uh... probably won't work for this character. I'm an architect, you are a vampire, maybe you need some remodelling done on your lair? 'I GUESS' So how did you want to sort out the- 'KEEP IT IC, WE WILL FIGURE IT OUT IC, IC IS KING!'
Later, in the bizniss office where they meet
'WOE. YOUR CHARACTER DOTH REMIND ME TOO MUCH OF MINE LOST LOVE!' Uh. Maybe? I mean, they're both Muslim... 'IT WILL NEVER WORK BETWIXT THEM!!!' ... So, uh. Huh.
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I mean, I love keeping things IC.
I love keeping things IC right up until the point where I realize that keeping things IC is not working AT ALL and I'm no longer in a good place.
So I don't think there is ever going to be a resolution for this.
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@silverfox said in TS - Danger zone:
So I don't think there is ever going to be a resolution for this.
o/~ Communication o/~
'Hey, I'm sorry, but I need to call a pause here so we can hammer some things out.'
If the other party isn't cool with that, they fucking suck.
Saying the quiet parts out loud since 1996.
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I TOTALLY agree with that, personally.
I just also see people here going, "No, I don't enjoy talking OOC about stuff," and I feel like even that request is going to fly in the face of what they want. It feels like then it just... hangs there. Forever. Because you're not comfortable continuing to RP and they're not comfortable working things out OOCly to come to an agreement, then nothing ever gets resolved because neither person is comfortable bending. So I still don't think there's going to be a solid resolution.
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@Auspice said in TS - Danger zone:
'Hey, I'm sorry, but I need to call a pause here so we can hammer some things out.'
Isn't hammering things out what they were trying to do in the first place?
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I think you'll find people who absolutely refuse to talk are a minority in the hobby with a very vocal representation here.
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@silverfox said in TS - Danger zone:
I just also see people here going, "No, I don't enjoy talking OOC about stuff,"
There's a big difference between not talking OOC about plans and plots and things, and not talking OOC about how to get an OOC idea into an IC one.
Folks that prattle along with "IC is king" are dumber than a bag full of bags full of hammers if they expect that to work at all on a game that allows OOC communication. No, I'm not going to chat with you about how my character is planning to fuck your character over. I am, however, totally going to talk to you about how my character is going to fu... you get the idea.
ETA: That said, there's always a solid resolution to these things. Just don't engage with each other again. If they won't do something you want/need to be comfortable, they can fuck off, no matter which side of the 'OOC communication' stand you sit on.
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@silverfox said in TS - Danger zone:
I TOTALLY agree with that, personally.
I just also see people here going, "No, I don't enjoy talking OOC about stuff," and I feel like even that request is going to fly in the face of what they want. It feels like then it just... hangs there. Forever. Because you're not comfortable continuing to RP and they're not comfortable working things out OOCly to come to an agreement, then nothing ever gets resolved because neither person is comfortable bending. So I still don't think there's going to be a solid resolution.
I think there's also a middle ground to be had.
I don't always need or want to discuss everything in advance OOC, but I'm fine with a pause to do so in the midst of things if need calls for it.
To me that's the middle ground. The 'Hey can we discuss this one thing' before moving on.
Don't ask if your character can kiss mine. Don't wait for her to make the first move. Just do it. If she doesn't want it she'll make it clear.
Saying the quiet parts out loud since 1996.
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@Auspice said in TS - Danger zone:
Don't ask if your character can kiss mine. Don't wait for her to make the first move. Just do it. If she doesn't want it she'll make it clear.
With most of my PCs, I highly recommend asking first.
The cute ones are the deadly ones.
“It is better to live doing the things that you like. It is foolish to live within this dream of a world seeing unpleasantness and doing only things that you do not like.” -- Yamamoto Tsunetomo.
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@Ganymede Consent is queen.
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@Ganymede said in TS - Danger zone:
@Auspice said in TS - Danger zone:
Don't ask if your character can kiss mine. Don't wait for her to make the first move. Just do it. If she doesn't want it she'll make it clear.
With most of my PCs, I highly recommend asking first.
The cute ones are the deadly ones.
nope.
surprise makeouts for Gany always.Saying the quiet parts out loud since 1996.
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@Auspice said in TS - Danger zone:
@Ganymede said in TS - Danger zone:
@Auspice said in TS - Danger zone:
Don't ask if your character can kiss mine. Don't wait for her to make the first move. Just do it. If she doesn't want it she'll make it clear.
With most of my PCs, I highly recommend asking first.
The cute ones are the deadly ones.
nope.
surprise makeouts for Gany always.It can be both if you get a convoluted 50-shades style contract written up. Disclaimer: Gany will probably find loopholes out of it.
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@Jennkryst said in TS - Danger zone:
@Auspice said in TS - Danger zone:
@Ganymede said in TS - Danger zone:
@Auspice said in TS - Danger zone:
Don't ask if your character can kiss mine. Don't wait for her to make the first move. Just do it. If she doesn't want it she'll make it clear.
With most of my PCs, I highly recommend asking first.
The cute ones are the deadly ones.
nope.
surprise makeouts for Gany always.It can be both if you get a convoluted 50-shades style contract written up. Disclaimer: Gany will probably find loopholes out of it.
Gany will write the loopholes in.
He/Him
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(takes notes for when/if she makes a NOLA char)
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@mietze said in TS - Danger zone:
@Pandora here's the thing though. If a person knows that they are not going to be comfortable without negotiated cliff notes before they engage, it really isnt IMO asking for babysitting for them to ask that of someone. The someone can then decide if that price of admission is worth it or not.
Again, agreed 100%. I am not knocking anyone's pre-consents; as I said previously, you have to know what works for you, where your boundaries lie, and make sure you are comfortable. I'm just saying it's not fair or reasonable to expect everyone to do this, because everyone has their own level of comfort with OOC conversation/negotiation.
I may not initiate OOC contact with anyone (my preference) but I'm always happy to listen if someone has something to say/ask/request OOCly & if it seems they're being unreasonable I run it by staff to see if I'm just being irritable (Usually it's a little of both.)
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@Tinuviel said in TS - Danger zone:
@Jennkryst said in TS - Danger zone:
@Auspice said in TS - Danger zone:
@Ganymede said in TS - Danger zone:
@Auspice said in TS - Danger zone:
Don't ask if your character can kiss mine. Don't wait for her to make the first move. Just do it. If she doesn't want it she'll make it clear.
With most of my PCs, I highly recommend asking first.
The cute ones are the deadly ones.
nope.
surprise makeouts for Gany always.It can be both if you get a convoluted 50-shades style contract written up. Disclaimer: Gany will probably find loopholes out of it.
Gany will write the loopholes in.
@Ganymede is the loophole you didn't see when you signed, you fools.
"Excuse the hell out of you. He's a bag of dicks. I'm a carefully curated box of cocks." -- to @GirlCalledBlu upon being misrepresented.
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( @bored was kinda right when he said this feels like I'm running a survey here)
TS with NPCs or during PrPs. Where do you stand on this? What I'm thinking is PrPs involving one ST and one player but y'all might surprise me.
- He who takes offense when not intended is a fool. He who takes offense when intended is a greater fool.
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@Arkandel said in TS - Danger zone:
(@bored was kinda right when he said this feels like I'm running a survey here)
TS with NPCs or during PrPs. Where do you stand on this? What I'm thinking is PrPs involving one ST and one player but y'all might surprise me.
FTB. On both ends.
As a player it'd just feel clinical.
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@Arkandel I'm... against using NPCs for TS. Though usually when I usually think of NPCs I think of heavy-hitters in a game's theme, like a King or a Senator or whatever. These are gloves potentially available to a bunch of people to use, don't fill them with jizz.
