Optional Realities & Project Redshift

[WTFE]

@Jaunt said:

Go look through our user manifest. It's public record.

So you're unwilling to substantiate. Got it. Claim rejected.

Your attempts at emotional manipulation aren't as refined as you think they are.

And you suck as bad cop. Just thought I'd put that out there.

Any changes are going to stem from discussions on our site.

So come back and advertise when you know what the fuck it is you're advertising. How's that for a thought?

In case this wasn't clear, allow me to translate:

Chorus

Get lost. 滚开. Berambus. Biến đi. चले जाओ।. Хол яв. Hau ab. Vas t'en. Уходи.

[Thenomain]

@Jaunt said:

@Thenomain said:

but that lack of self-awareness is a huge reason why I don't want OR to be successful. (Sorry, @Jeshin. I am very, very sorry to say that about what should be an awesome, inclusive project.)

Your attempts at emotional manipulation aren't as refined as you think they are.

I'm not trying to appeal to anyone's emotion, so you're right, they're not as refined as you think that I think they are.

Ah well, I tried.

[Jaunt]

@WTFE said:

And you suck as bad cop. Just thought I'd put that out there.

Your continual suggestion that I'm playing bad cop is probably my favorite thing about you. It's not really true, as I'm not really here to make threats, but it's funny to me regardless.

@WTFE said:

So come back and advertise when you know what the fuck it is you're advertising. How's that for a thought?

Nope. Gonna continue to advertise as we have been. We've gotten a lot of hits from this thread, and some cool people with great ideas taking part on OR now.

Dealing with a few pseudo-autists along the way isn't the worst thing in the world.

[WTFE]

Remember when @Jaunt said that we "misunderstood intention" earlier, @Thenomain? Isn't it funny that it's our fault when we "misunderstand" but now it's your fault for miscommunicating? It's one of those irregular verb declensions: I communicate clearly, you can't read.

@Jaunt said:

Nope. Gonna continue to advertise as we have been. We've gotten a lot of hits from this thread, and some cool people with great ideas taking part on OR now.

The ones you can't name. Right.

[Jaunt]

@WTFE said:

Remember when @Jaunt said that we "misunderstood intention" earlier, @Thenomain? Isn't it funny that it's our fault when we "misunderstand" but now it's your fault for miscommunicating? It's one of those irregular verb declensions: I communicate clearly, you can't read.

Nope. I admitted that I didn't think that Jeshin communicated himself very clearly at points in this thread. I just didn't think that that was a great reason to start shitting on him.

[WTFE]

Nobody started "shitting on him" until loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong after he had about a hundred opportunities to communicate his "point" clearly.

Nice try, Dick Nixon.

[Sunny]

@Jaunt said:

It's not the place where we prefer to discuss changing the inherent branding and nature of our website. Your inability to understand why this is does not reflect well on your critical thinking skills.

Derp derp derp. Oh, look. First it was 'we never said we weren't here for discussion quote it' and then when it happened, you changed your tune. If this isn't the place you want to discuss your site, then you shouldn't be advertising it here, because what we do is discuss things. Often rather cantankerously.

I doubt that it scores you as many points with @Thenomain as you hope it will, either.

DAMNIT. @Thenomain, why won't you love me? Sorry @Jaunt, I'm just here at this point because you're an annoying prick. Theno has known me long enough that his opinion of me, for better or for worse, is already developed. It's only that part of my disgust here is that if you were interested in engaging this community, you'd have already figured out that the shit you're flinging his way is inaccurate. Wrong. Incorrect. Like the whole 'emotional manipulation' thing.

What you guys are really failing at, here (@Jeshin, @crayon, and @Jaunt) -- probably more than anything else -- is knowing your audience.

PS: I've been mushing longer than you. Does that make me more right?

[Thenomain]

To be honest, @WTFE, I thought that he said that he wasn't officially representing OR here, so I'm not sure how to take his telling you that "they" will continue posting advertisements here. A lot of what he (or she, for all I know) is saying is inconsistent. I did try to be honest and take the "I want a serious discussion" seriously, but I suspect I'll be accused of the opposite for ... reasons?

I dunno, man. I just do not know.

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@Sunny said:

@Jaunt said:

I doubt that it scores you as many points with @Thenomain as you hope it will, either.

DAMNIT. @Thenomain, why won't you love me?

What? When did anyone say this? Is the implication here that I'm some big chief dog and you guys are my sycophants?

What?

I ...

What?

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What?

[Jaunt]

@WTFE said:

Nice try, Dick Nixon.

The strangest repeated ad hominem that I think has ever been directed my way.

@Sunny said:

What you guys are really failing at, here (@Jeshin, @crayon, and @Jaunt) -- probably more than anything else -- is knowing your audience.

That's possible. It's also possible that you're mistaken in thinking that cantankerous shitposters like yourself are our audience.

We already have our token few of them on our site, and they're far more clever than you are.

[WTFE]

You really don't understand what the ad hominem fallacy is, do you?

[Thenomain]

@WTFE

Dude, he's trolling now. Posting for his own amusement. Take a sip.

[Sunny]

@Jaunt said:

That's possible. It's also possible that you're mistaken in thinking that cantankerous shitposters like yourself are our audience.

Yeah, complete failure at knowing your audience. I get bitchy and shriek like a harpy when I get furious (I am), but much like categorizing @Thenomain as attempting to be emotionally manipulative, saying that I'm a cantankerous shitposter is incorrect. As I've said repeatedly, I entered this conversation out of patience already because of the behavior of OR's representatives. It has been very poor behavior. Very, very poor behavior.

[WTFE]

@Thenomain said:

To be honest, @WTFE, I thought that he said that he wasn't officially representing OR here, so I'm not sure how to take his telling you that "they" will continue posting advertisements here.

Oh, so to the list of "used car salesman" and "yapping PR shill" we can add "blatant liars". Brilliant!

What? When did anyone say this? Is the implication here that I'm some big chief dog and you guys are my sycophants?

We're not? DAMMIT! All those wasted, wasted years…

Dude, he's trolling now. Posting for his own amusement. Take a sip.

You saw the bottle out earlier upthread, right?

[Thenomain]

@WTFE

I didn't understand it until now, no.

[Sunny]

Do you love me yet, @Thenomain? Do you????????

[WTFE]

Well, the only way that this thread with these people can be even mildly tolerable is if I kill off a few brain cells each time they post. Currently I'm working on that "blanche armagnac" (think: French grappa), but that's only 80 proof. For the concentrated hypocrisy and stupidity that Tricky Dicky brings to the table, I need something stronger:

Maybe 104 proof is enough to deal with teh stoopid. If not, I have 124 proof waiting in the wings.

[Thenomain]

@Sunny said:

Do you love me yet, @Thenomain? Do you????????

As the only person really replying to anything at the time, I was trying to let the thread just be a series of un-commented posts since there seemed to be nothing left to talk about, so I kind of blame you for all this. "Blame" in the same way that the one person who says "at least it can't get worse" is to blame for the sudden shit-storm that follows.

It really feels like someone decided that something needed done, without any consideration that things were done. This is often the case when someone sees a log of past events and, to them, they are all hot and new and fiery passion takes over, instead of calm sense.

In a small scenario in my head, Jeshin on some OR staff communications board says, "I am so tired of those Soapbox guys and ..." and the knee-jerk white-hat that we Mu*ers can get in our heads took over. "Let me do this for my friend!" Which is cool and noble and all, but has begun so many feuds that never should have been.

I'm probably wrong, but it's one of the few scenarios where I can understand what the hell just happened.

[Sunny]

@Thenomain said:

@Sunny said:

Do you love me yet, @Thenomain? Do you????????

As the only person really replying to anything, I was trying to let the thread just be a series of un-commented posts since there seemed to be nothing left to talk about, so I kind of blame you for all this. "Blame" in the same way that the one person who says "at least it can't get worse" is to blame for the sudden shit-storm that follows.

It really feels like someone decided that something needed done, without any consideration that things were done. This is often the case when someone sees a log of past events and, to them, they are all hot and new and fiery passion takes over, instead of calm sense.

In a small scenario in my head, Jeshin on some OR staff communications board says, "I am so tired of those Soapbox guys and ..." and the knee-jerk white-hat that we Mu*ers can get in our heads took over. "Let me do this for my friend!" Which is cool and noble and all, but has begun so many feuds that never should have been.

I'm probably wrong, but it's one of the few scenarios where I can understand what the hell just happened.

I imagine that's probably exactly what happened. Given the 'you have been so mean to these two, deal with ME now' line and the rabidness straight out of the gate. I think a huge part of my problem with these guys here is that they're taking advantage of this place in a not-good way. They're clearly not interested in participating in our community, whereas people from here (apparently) have gone over and been good community members in theirs. They haven't bothered to extend us the same respect. The only reason they've shown up to the party at all is to tell everyone about their party and how much better it is. It's just an asshole move. Then add to that outright disrespect of some of the biggest contributors to the greater community (as in, not just this board, but the games themselves being built) and it makes me furious.

[Jaunt]

@Thenomain said:

In a small scenario in my head, Jeshin on some OR staff communications board says, "I am so tired of those Soapbox guys and ..." and the knee-jerk white-hat that we Mu*ers can get in our heads took over. "Let me do this for my friend!" Which is cool and noble and all, but has begun so many feuds that never should have been.

I'm probably wrong, but it's one of the few scenarios where I can understand what the hell just happened.

You're not quite on the nose, but getting there. Jeshin was frustrated that people couldn't accept that OR isn't a site equally dedicated to every MUSH. I said, "What? You're posting on that site? It's a 20 page thread? Sound awful. I should read it."

I read that, got offended for my friend, and decided to turn the shittier folks in this thread's attention towards me.

But, I'm not really mad. Why would I be? It's just another internet argument.

In fact, it's sort of been fun to get to join in in the trolling for a bit, instead of having to moderate it for a change. Thanks for that.

I'm still willing to respond civilly to civil conversation. I could go either way, though.

[WTFE]

@Thenomain said:

As the only person really replying to anything, I was trying to let the thread just be a series of un-commented posts since there seemed to be nothing left to talk about, so I kind of blame you for all this. "Blame" in the same way that the one person who says "at least it can't get worse" is to blame for the sudden shit-storm that follows.

Well, at least this thread can't get any worse, right?

It really feels like someone decided that something needed done, without any consideration that things were done.

A common flaw even outside of the nerd core. "SOMETHING MUST BE DONE! THIS IS SOMETHING! ERGO IT MUST BE DONE! Q.E.D."

I'm probably wrong, but it's one of the few scenarios where I can understand what the hell just happened.

I think you're dead on. Personally, as discussed in private, I agree that @Jeshin is not a bad guy. I think he's involved in sales or advertising IRL and he has the blind spot that a lot of hard core sales/advertising types have about how grating and annoying their sales persona is. It's why I've tagged him with the (relatively) nice "Used Car Salesman-in-Chief" title. The other two are assholes.

@Jeshin: Just to make this perfectly clear, unlike @crayon and @Jaunt, I don't think you have bad intentions. I think you have a piss poor communication style that has backfired on you. Your intentions, however are good. In the sense, sadly, of The Good Intentions Paving Company.

You may want to try giving your lapdog (@crayon) a good sharp tug on the leash, but your pit bull you may want to just put down.