New Prospect MUSH

[Sponge]

Coyote and Sponge are back!

Some people loved City of Hope, some people hated it. We became dissatisfied with the direction it took after we stepped away from the helm so we've decided to fork the game we created and do things differently.

First we've switched to full consent. We don't actually think consent is the best way to go, but it's necessary for our main objective: abolishing RP staff. We feel really strongly that people having arbitrary authority over the RP of others is inseparable from the aspects we dislike in most games. Our goal is to automate away or abolish all functions performed by RP staff.

This means there won't be Theme Police. It being Consent, no one has to play with anyone they don't want to and we'll be providing tools to make that easier as we go along. Outside of RP, we're back to our original stances on Privacy and Harassment.

I haven't finished self-service CGen yet so we're still using the crappy old self-statting system with manual approvals. I'm making help management a function of the website with updates being imported into the game's helpfiles. That's not online so the in-game help is behind the website help.

We're trying some pretty strange things. It's going to be awesome and it's going to be crazy. It's not going to fit everyone's taste and that's just fine.

We have V:tM, W:tA, M:tA, W:tO, D:tF, and C:tD. All Revised where possible, 2nd ed otherwise. No KoE or Bygones. No 20th Anniversary.

http://www.newprospectmush.com/

[Sponge]

@silentsophia Sorry, couldn't find a trace of your Space Van

[Cobalt]

Please explain Dick Size to me. Using small words.

[Sponge]

@Cobaltasaurus said:

Please explain Dick Size to me. Using small words.

We're giving everyone a cap stat the way shifters have Rank and Mages have Arete. You can't take powers over your cap stat. Your Dick Size increases automatically over time (with your other stats) and at any time you can increase your cap stat up to your Dick Size. When you're Rank 2 and your DS goes up to 3, you can immediately go up to Rank 3 or continue to play at Rank 2 as long as you see fit.

[silentsophia]

@Sponge Noooooooooo, NOT MY VAN!

[3543thrh67]

I can't decide what I think of this Dick Size thing. It both amuses me and annoys me.

[Sponge]

@icanbeyourmuse said:

I can't decide what I think of this Dick Size thing. It both amuses me and annoys me.

The name is more than a little tongue-in-cheek.

It's a sort of disadvantage to Vampires, Changelings, and Demons in that it artificially caps their powers. It's a boon to Shifters and Mages as we've done away with Renown and Seekings. You're not reliant on others to progress. This also means that people will progress without having "earned" it, but you can't run afoul of some clique who controls a sphere.

[Sponge]

We've structured the timing for Dick Size such that if you're moderately active you'll go from 1-5 in about 9 months.

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@Sponge said:

First we've switched to full consent. We don't actually think consent is the best way to go, but it's necessary for our main objective: abolishing RP staff. We feel really strongly that people having arbitrary authority over the RP of others is inseparable from the aspects we dislike in most games. Our goal is to automate away or abolish all functions performed by RP staff.

That's like saying you dislike herpes, so you're going to just outlaw sex. I'm sure there's a more efficient way to get rid of RP staff.

Have you considered....

Player arbitrators based on a ratings system? (High rated arbitrators get bonus XP, low-rated ones are barred from judging)

Switching to a diceless system like they use at LARP.?

@Sponge said:

It's a sort of disadvantage to Vampires, Changelings, and Demons in that it artificially caps their powers. It's a boon to Shifters and Mages as we've done away with Renown and Seekings. You're not reliant on others to progress. This also means that people will progress without having "earned" it, but you can't run afoul of some clique who controls a sphere.

So you believe Mages needed even more of a mechanical advantage over other spheres than they already enjoy?

On a more positive note: Good luck with your game.

[Thenomain]

@Admiral

Player arbitrators based on a ratings system? (High rated arbitrators get bonus XP, low-rated ones are barred from judging)

He said he wants to get rid of clique controlled spheres, not hasten them.

[Three-Eyed Crow]

@Sponge said:

First we've switched to full consent. We don't actually think consent is the best way to go, but it's necessary for our main objective: abolishing RP staff. We feel really strongly that people having arbitrary authority over the RP of others is inseparable from the aspects we dislike in most games. Our goal is to automate away or abolish all functions performed by RP staff.

What you're describing is an anathema to anything I would ever want to play, but there's probably an audience for it. Good luck and such.

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@Thenomain said:

@Admiral

Player arbitrators based on a ratings system? (High rated arbitrators get bonus XP, low-rated ones are barred from judging)

He said he wants to get rid of clique controlled spheres, not hasten them.

Here I was, thinking the best way to stop cliques was open and honest communication with your players about your expectations.

Also he said the purpose of full consent was to get rid of RP staff, not to get rid of cliques. Cliques were only referenced in the Dick Size discussion.

[Coin]

I don't really like the abolishment of RP Staff as a concept (which should come as no surprise given how much I am pushing for Staff Involvement being a Thing in my own game), but I have played Consent games (mostly Comic book games) to a high degree of enjoyment, so consent itself isn't anathema to me at all.

I do like the way you structure learning stuff. At least, the basic "no XP, just learning times" approach.

I would probably limit it to "slots" and have certain stats occupy more slots than others. So maybe taking an Attribute from 3-4 occupies 3 slots (old rating, since this is oWoD Revised) for a time span calculated on 4 (the oWoD Revised multiplier for Attributes). If the "default time span" is "1 week", it would take 3 weeks.

Using this system means that people have to strategize what to raise, when to raise it, etc. It's actually pretty cool.

As an aside: your presentation regarding your views on RP Staff is pretty condescending. "RP Staff Are Bad"? Really? We get it, you don't like it, but you come off super bitter and resentful. Maybe consider revising the way you present your core reasoning to something positive, instead of "Boo on RP Staff! Shunnnn!"

[ThatOneDude]

Full consent always makes me think about the little shits that don't like ICA=ICC. So Player A comes up and plays keep away with the werewolf's hat ( Player B ) in a scene Player B is in with some other people. If the werewolf says, "Cool, since you are being an idiot I'll punch you in the mouth." Player A can say, "Nope..." and then continue to ruin any semblance of fun that could have been going on.

The only recourse then is to what? Break up the scene, go to a private room where other "good" RPers can't join easily. Where does that lead us? Cliques?

Though I guess Player B can say, "No you can't take my hat, but then, what kind of RP are we having then?" Everything is constrained and horrible and shitty people will act shitty with no staff recourse to go through. Or would you still complain to staff who then become the RP Police?

[Coin]

@ThatOneDude

Yeah. The idea behind consent is usually to foster a sense of community that jointly drives that sort of jackass out. It doesn't always (usually) work all the way, but.

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What I really don't get is why they're still going with dice when it's Consent. Either go full consent or don't, IMO.

[Wizz]

I played consent games waaaaaaaay before I ever joined non-consent and it honestly was not very much of a problem, that I recall. Then again, the community was larger and less cray-cray IIRC.

[Three-Eyed Crow]

Yeah, I'm fine with full consent, if the game is upfront about what it is. I think is has some flaws that people who are really big boosters of full consent don't like to acknowledge (it's where I started MUSHing, so I came from an environment where that was the perceived ideal and dice were for lamers), but it can work for what it is and I've had a lot of fun on those games.

Abolishing RP Staff is my anathema. But, again, I just like a different sort of game than a lot of people do. Also, like Coin, I've been RP Staff and I did not view my role as jack-booted fun-killer.

[Thenomain]

Also he said the purpose of full consent was to get rid of RP staff, not to get rid of cliques. Cliques were only referenced in the Dick Size discussion.

If you want to nitpick, yes. That doesn't excuse suggesting a broken solution.

[Arkandel]

Can someone explain what "RP staff" is in this context? Or what the equivalent might be on other nWoD games?

[Wizz]

Storytellers?