@tragedyjones I think you just made @EmmahSue cry bitter tears.
Is there any more definitive due-date? If I'm supposed to have a game ready to go when the stupid rules finally eventually maybe never come out, a date would be helpful. :<
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@tragedyjones said:
Oh for those who did not notice, Mage made it through the major revision process and is back to being sneak previewed. It should be out, by my reckoning, in 2015.
Maybe creative thaumaturgy won't be like having your fucking teeth pulled while filling out forms in triplicate, like virtually every nmage sphere ever. >____________<
From Mage 2.0: Supporting Cast
Any inherent magical power, be it a minor or major template, or even just a single Merit representing something about the character herself, also makes that character a Sleepwalker.
Fucking set out in a way nobody can fucking weasel out of. Fuck every single person ever who contributed to the ridiculous 'Wolfblooded can't be Sleepwalkers.' or immortals or any of the other weird corner cases who somehow counted as Sleepers yet couldn't take the Sleepwalker merit. Fuuuuuuuuuuuck all of you. >_<
Edit for also:
Some Proximi are born spontaneously, but most come from long family lines of magical heritage called Dynasties, protected, nurtured, and employed by one of the Orders.
Hopefully the bolded bit will get more emphasis and elaboration. The nWoD SL book that covered Proximi in more depth indicated that spontaneous Proximi were totally a thing, but places only ever wanted to allow Dynasties, boo.
@HelloRaptor said:
From Mage 2.0: Supporting Cast
Any inherent magical power, be it a minor or major template, or even just a single Merit representing something about the character herself, also makes that character a Sleepwalker.
Fucking set out in a way nobody can fucking weasel out of. Fuck every single person ever who contributed to the ridiculous 'Wolfblooded can't be Sleepwalkers.'
It sounds like they are simply saying, "They are sleepwalkers" not "they can become sleepwalkers". I wish they came up with a different term for those who don't trigger Paradox, like "Aware", and left Sleepwalker to something more specific, but eh. I'm taking it as a thought-rambling, else then Vampires could take "Sleepwalker-Only" Merits and I sincerely doubt that.
n.b., if Sleepwalker is a template, then Wolf-Blooded can't be Sleepwalkers. Sleep tight!
else then Vampires could take "Sleepwalker-Only" Merits and I sincerely doubt that.
Maybe they can. Everyone was originally a human in some form or fashion, across the game lines. Apparently anything that makes you no longer a pure vanilla 100% natural and pristine human also means you're considered a Sleepwalker. A minor template like ghoul, or a major template like vampire, or a supernatural merit like psychic powers or thaumaturgy, all sound as if they make you qualify as a Sleepwalker.
So it's essentially just the exact opposite of those merits that say they can only be taken by 100% pure vanilla mortals. 
I'm sure someone will think to ask about that sooner or later, though, and we'll find out.
Personally, I love it even more than the potential for spontaneous Wolf-Blooded.
@EmmahSue I joined a betting pool about the release date. (Cause if gamers are going to bet on anything they will bet on the release date of overdue books/games, etc, right?) I put my money on a "GenCon Release" either right before or the week of to cash in on that. For what that's worth.
Of course GenCon is a month earlier this year than it has been the last few, so I may be fooling myself. 
@HelloRaptor said:
else then Vampires could take "Sleepwalker-Only" Merits and I sincerely doubt that.
Maybe they can. Everyone was originally a human in some form or fashion, across the game lines. Apparently anything that makes you no longer a pure vanilla 100% natural and pristine human also means you're considered a Sleepwalker. A minor template like ghoul, or a major template like vampire, or a supernatural merit like psychic powers or thaumaturgy, all sound as if they make you qualify as a Sleepwalker.
So it's essentially just the exact opposite of those merits that say they can only be taken by 100% pure vanilla mortals.
I'm sure someone will think to ask about that sooner or later, though, and we'll find out.
I wonder if that will just be updated to something like "Relating to disbelief". Meaning that hey are not true sleepwalkers but they don't cause mages to have all the drawbacks a sleeper would.
Maybe, but it really sounds as if they're just redefining 'Sleepwalker' as 'a non-mage who doesn't influence Paradox'. i.e. everyone but 100% vanilla mortals.
Everyone is missing the point here that "Actively Oblivious" is the best merit.
I'm a rodeo clown.
@tragedyjones said:
Everyone is missing the point here that "Actively Oblivious" is the best merit.
I was pretending it didn't exist.
Most Recent Status Updates of Various Products. I removed any non-WoD (including oWoD) products.
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DtD Storytelller’s Guide
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NWoD 2 – Artists assembled and notes going out. Lost power for a chunk of my Friday, so running a little behind.
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Sothis Ascends – Awaiting the proof copy of Sothis Standard.
I was pointed at the latest Fairest write-up.
I was, frankly, disappointed. I hope to be wrong, and I expect to be wrong, but I'm seeing it saying things like, "People flock to you to be the leader," as a truism for choosing the character. We've been through this before in oChangeling with Sidhe, and it does not go well.
I will have to go through tOP's first-fraft Fairest discussion thread.
“If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.”
― Carl Sagan, Cosmos
@Thenomain said:
I was pointed at the latest Fairest write-up.
I was, frankly, disappointed. I hope to be wrong, and I expect to be wrong, but I'm seeing it saying things like, "People flock to you to be the leader," as a truism for choosing the character. We've been through this before in oChangeling with Sidhe, and it does not go well.
I will have to go through tOP's first-fraft Fairest discussion thread.
From what I've heard over the years the absence of a clear cut Sidhe/leadership/alpha/etc archetype has gotten more complaints over the lifetime of nChangeling than almost anything else. Which is pretty fucking funny-sad, but kind of understandable.
Mage20th is out to backers.
I have the PDF.
I have yet to read it.
I will post more when I've read it.
But so far it looks like they've updated stuff ala V20, and done things like.. .renamed Spheres for use in the Technocracy (Spheres get Technocratic-style names that still define what they are).
The renamed technocrat spheres actually have their own rules and are different from their traditional cousins. It's pretty cool. Does a lot to further the techno in technocracy.
I am surprised I have not heard more bitching about the plot introduced in the book.
“Real magic can never be made by offering someone else's liver. You must tear out your own, and not expect to get it back.”
― Peter S. Beagle, The Last Unicorn
I've always taken any of the plot stuff in OWoD with lots of salt. Too many years of it randomly flipflopping or being hilariously outrageous (Demon Hunter X anyone?) to make me worry about it all that much.
@The-Tree-of-Woe said:
I am surprised I have not heard more bitching about the plot introduced in the book.
Which plot? I haven't read much but a few blurbs yet. Spoil away!
@tragedyjones said:
Oh for those who did not notice, Mage made it through the major revision process and is back to being sneak previewed. It should be out, by my reckoning, in 2015.
Maybe creative thaumaturgy won't be like having your fucking teeth pulled while filling out forms in triplicate, like virtually every nmage sphere ever. >____________<
