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@Insomnia Already enrolled >_>
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So.... Rebirth #1 was A Thing That Happened. Has anyone read it yet? I bought my copy on Comixology last night and I read all 80 pages pretty darned fast.
I wouldn't say this is DC fixing the fact they've been screwing the pooch for five years (at least), but it reads like a step in the right direction. Right now they're apologizing to the pooch.
Vorpal is actually Satan made MU*nifest
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I did not, but I read the new Captain America and my eyes are rolling so hard people think I've been possessed by the devil.
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Yeah. I read it as well.
But... I am going to call cosmic cube shenanigans on this. There's likely going to be some contrived explanation coming up, considering the last thing Marvel wants to do is damage Cap's image permanently when he still has so many more movies to go.
I'm not sure they can make this story actually pay off, though. The move is risky and the setup is pretty stupid, it's going to take a wizard to pull it off without it ending as one of those "storylines we're going to forget were ever written" things.
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@Vorpal said in Comics Stuff:
The move is risky and the setup is pretty stupid, it's going to take a wizard to pull it off without it ending as one of those "storylines we're going to forget were ever written" things.
These don't exist anymore. We have the internet now.
Mistakes are forever.
"Excuse the hell out of you. He's a bag of dicks. I'm a carefully curated box of cocks." -- to @GirlCalledBlu upon being misrepresented.
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@Vorpal Well, it makes no sense. No spoilers here but Cap had a ton of chances letting a certain group achieve ultimate victories in the past quite easily simply by not doing his very best to stop them. All he had to do was slow down slightly and they'd have won.
I mean there's playing the long game and there's this is fucking dumb.
But Marvel does this constantly. Spider-man movie out? Oh, in the comics he's a clone/Doc Ock/dead. Thor's got movies out? Let's replace him with girl-Thor! It's like they hate selling comics.
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@Coin I'll rephrase that accordingly:
"This will most likely become one of those 'storylines publishers will want to forget ever happened and ignore everything that happened, and which will be one of the things that the internet will never let us forget, like Rob Liefeld drawing ginormous penises on shrinking characters.'"
Better?
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@Vorpal said in Comics Stuff:
@Coin I'll rephrase that accordingly:
"This will most likely become one of those 'storylines publishers will want to forget ever happened and ignore everything that happened, and which will be one of the things that the internet will never let us forget, like Rob Liefeld drawing ginormous penises on shrinking characters.'"
Better?
Yes.
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I googled this and can't help feeling like I've read it before. Like when Captain America died, was resurrected by the Red Skull, teamed up with the Skull to do ... something, and then got stripped of his American citizenship by President Bill Clinton? That's still part of continuity, right?
Actually, maybe don't answer that. Either way, I'm not sure I want to know.
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I'm not sure I wanted to read "stripped" and "Bill Clinton" in the same sentence. I know the context was completely different, but considering Bill's background, that turned into a very strange mental image.
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@Autumn said in Comics Stuff:
I googled this and can't help feeling like I've read it before. Like when Captain America died, was resurrected by the Red Skull, teamed up with the Skull to do ... something, and then got stripped of his American citizenship by President Bill Clinton? That's still part of continuity, right?
Actually, maybe don't answer that. Either way, I'm not sure I want to know.
Technically yes, but hasn't been referenced in quite some time in the actual comics, but also never retconned.
That is the genius of the Marvel way of maintaining continuity instead of fixing things and retcons which angry up the blood of those that by. The ignore and let people online complain but those folks still tend to buy. -
@ThatGuyThere I don't know if ignoring stuff that makes no sense LALALALALA counts as 'maintaining continuity'.
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Might not be strictly maintaining it, but I would rather have that then the once a decade or so since 85 wiping out of continuity that DC does.
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@ThatGuyThere What bugs me about Marvel is how little they seem to like their own legacy characters.
Yes, when Kyle Rayner replacing Hal in the 90s resulted in a ton of crap it proved DC isn't exactly immune to this but they fix it sooner or later and it stays - more or less - fixed. Sure, I'm still annoyed Tim Drake was replaced by another Robin but he's still around (even though you're correct that after the upteenth reboot I'm not sure what the hell history is like any more).
But between the Clone Saga and DocOck stuff on Spider-man - for years you couldn't read Peter Parker as Spidey in either the mainstream or Ultimate universe! - and assorted very gimmicky 'changes' on their major properties to replace them with younger, spiffier versions they are leaking readers. If I'm a 12 year old boy (which most women who know me would agree I am, I digress) and I just watched Thor on the TV I may wanna read the comics, woo-hoo! But... what the hell? Why is Thor a girl? Okay, let me read Captain America then! ... wait, Steve Rogers is geriatric? No wait, he's a bad guy? What's happening here!
At least if you pick up Superman it's the Last Son of Krypon fighting bad guys in a more or less recognizable version of the iconic costume. Batman's is Bruce Wayne whose parents got killed when he was a boy. Wonder Woman is still Diana, an immortal Amazon kick-ass warrior. You know where you stand even if the details can be sketchy and require a PhD in comicology to understand on a day to day basis
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Oh I agree there is a lot of points where it does not seem like marvel actually likes it superheroes.
I complain about that a lot, and lay a lot of the blame for that at the feet of Joe Quesada who before working for Marvel, was not a big superhero person.About your specific examples I am split, I hated the Doc Oc as Spidey thing the whole concept read like bad fan fiction to me, but I kinda liked the female Thor as a change, note if would have added her to the world rather then have her replace real Thor. Two Thor titles is double plus good. (I am biased here Thor has been one of my favorite characters since the early 80s.)
Though not on direct topic but OMG Kyle is so much better then Hal. But then I would take anyone who ever wore a ring over Fucking Hal Kilwog Killer Jordan. But then I tend not to like the classic silver age versions of many DC characters.
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I think I know what happened- the Cosmic Cube didn't restore Steve Rogers to youth-
It brought in a parallel universe Steve Rogers who was a HYDRA sleeper agent. His memories are therefore consistent with his history even if they are not consistent with o-
No. I've got nothing, really. I don't see how they can pull this off without staining Cap.
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@Vorpal
Easy Mind control. It's not like we haven't had a hypnotized/mind controlled Cap working for villains in the past.
Heck Dr. Faustus has done it one at least two occasions that I own. the same Dr. that hypnotically Mind controlled Sharon Carter into killing Cap at the end of the comic version of Civil Wat. (Yes i just spoiler-ed something that has been out for a decade)
Not saying this is a good thing to be doing, and I have zero faith in Marvel doing it well but by itself it is not stain Cap, or at least not worse then any other hero. Sadly companies doing bizarrely things with their characters is not new.
