Your Opinions of These Games
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Fate's Harvest: Spiderland
Fear and Loathing: GOMO
Eldritch: It still exists?...never played the rest.
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@alzie said in Your Opinions of These Games:
huh. The eldritch website is still up and the game is still running but I did a quick connect and there are 0 people on.
Sometimes we prod at the code, what can I say?
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@alzie Fate's Harvest: beware of Spiders, consult Hog Pit.
F&L: quite good, actually, some drama threads on here aside. Would recommend if their NPC system doesn't offend you.
Eldritch: haven't tried.
Dragon Age MUSH: read through their news files recently after playing through Inquisition, it's on my list of places to visit. Nothing seemed out of place at a glance. Are they still open, though? I'm hearing conflicting things about that.
Battle Fantasia: unsure, magical girl isn't a genre I think works as a full-fledged MUSH but if it's still around it must be doing something right for fans of the idea.
Dream Chasers: recently applied, staff and players were extremely friendly and welcoming. Haven't spotted problems yet, lots of role-play to be found. Code use might not be for everyone, but since I originate from WoD games I'm quite comfortable with heavy code presence. -
I don't get the 'NPC/Guest' hatred of F&L. I've seen it mentioned a few times, and I'd like someone to explain it to me.
You get to app a Feature Character with higher stats, that has restrictions on what you can do with those stats. This sounds exactly what many other games have done in the past with Princes, Chantry Leaders, etc. You got more XP/Points to build with, but you weren't allowed to PK, for instance.
What am I missing?
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@rook Armchair criticism is what you've missed.
SometimesOften we reject any new-sounding notion out of hand here, thinking only of the worst case scenarios and not waiting to see how it plays out, or taking into account staff will keep an eye on it and can step in if things go south to fix problems.Jumping the gun to condemn novelty or innovation without giving it a chance is one of MSB's less awesome traits.
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Apparently at some point I was on F&L making a PC, but never finished.
I logged into Fate's Harvest and everyone was nice. They were discussing drug use in the main room, so it was a pretty standard setup you could say. Par for the course.
Have not tried Dream Chasers or Battle Fantasia yet.
Fate's Harvest is doing that weird 1e GMC thing where people don't want to commit to one or the other which, to be honest, really fucking pisses me off. I mean, just pick one damnit. But at least the HRs appear to be semi-sane.
F&L was actually pretty active as well when I logged in and people were talking about plots.
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@faceless said in Your Opinions of These Games:
I think Eldritch has been defunct for about a year and a half now? Again, I think. Pretty sure that's where I was when my last kid was born, which was two years ago.
Great, fun game overall. Played a Demon, Mr. Bowman. Eldritch really helped me appreciate that 2E splat. I still don't trust Ms. Oven's ass.
Ms. Oven was super interesting. >.>
Eldritch still has a website and the game is up, but we're not active, no.
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@salty-secrets said in Your Opinions of These Games:
F&L: quite good, actually, some drama threads on here aside. Would recommend if their NPC system doesn't offend you.
I think that the Guest Star thing is over? I recall seeing a post to that effect before. It could have been isolated solely to the Vampire Sphere.
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Seems that they are still a thing: http://www.fandlmux.com/Character_Types
However, in reading this.. I am failing to find OMGBURNTHEWITCH things.
- They gain no XP whatsoever.
- They cannot PK at all.
- They MUST contribute to their sphere and are expected to be publicly available for RP.
- They cannot take over a sphere, instead are to support normal PCs.
This just sounds like standard NPC rules on any game out there, only the Staff is allowing players to play them, not just relegated to staff?
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@rook The theory isn't so much the issue with them for me so much as how they worked in practice when I played on the game -- i.e. not as advertised. It sounds like the experience is different now per others so they may have improved.
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Ah, ok.
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The wiki implies that Guest Stars are still a thing, but the in-game bboards say they aren't. I think the latter is the most current information.
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The problem with the guest stars, was yes, the rules not actually being enforced. And as MUers, I'm pretty sure all of us had very little reason to ever expect they were going to be.
I have no idea if they still exist or not. If they don't, that's good.
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The thing that I noticed with Guest Stars at F&L was that they were played just like PCs. They didn't gain XP or PK, no. (But they skirted that last rule a lot, and did a lot of things that should have /invited/ people to PK them, but given their sheets, well.)
But, my main issue with them is that they /could/ and /did/ dominate plots. At one point, it felt like Luxor, the vampire staff, was just running a plot to show off the sheet of his vampire Guest Star.
Which just felt very meh, on top of his tone issues and inability to take any feedback on his tone, and playing favorites.
I liked the rest of the staff and the players at F&L. I would actually recommend checking it out, since I think people can enjoy it. Just not me, apparently.
Never tried Fate's Harvest because people I trust told me to stay away from anything with Spider involved. And I trust them, so.
The other games, never heard of.
#FreeFarfalla
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@alzie, I would like to highly recommend you check out United Heroes.
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@tempest said in Your Opinions of These Games:
@alzie, I would like to highly recommend you check out United Heroes.
So like, I know you're being semi-sarcastic, but I'll give you a serious response. I have tried super hero games in the past. I really have, but super hero games tend to have this atmosphere to them. They all share this really serious, alt-a-holic atmosphere where everyone is really cliquish and they're all out to play as many FCs as possible so they can have as much TS as possible. And I get that. I am not here to shit on anyone's parade. You want to see Black Widow sex Batman, by all means, you have at that. That is a perfectly healthy, fine thing to want to see. What I don't get is why you need 27 friends with 5 alts a piece and an echo room to validate your desire. I mean you can get that for free on reddit.
That aside, even when you get past that issue, when I did try to integrate into super hero games, the RP wasn't that great. I expected that for the most part I would be engaging in mundane scenes and occasional super hero stuff. That party doesn't bother me. I mean, I played a ministry of magic law clerk on Alerre Flames and that was fun as shit, because I would go around and ticket people. But you know what? It was fun as shit. I never really got that from the super hero games I tried.
So anyways, end of serious response: Nah, that's ok. I can pretty much guarantee I won't enjoy it.
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@alzie You summed up the problem with most hero MUs pretty succinctly, I applaud you.
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I missed the Eldritch boat, alas -- I actually went and hunted up Demon PDFs so that I could potentially take a look at it, but like I said -- missed out.
F&L: I've had problems getting into it as well. My first character, I wound up freezing inside of two weeks after approval because my one covenant-mate got kidnapped and held captive for a week and a half or thereabouts, then summarily PKed (all under the auspices of the person who PK'ed my covenant-mate supposedly trying to ransom him off, except he never actually did attempt to ransom him off and the physical violence-heavy atmosphere was so strong at the beginning that I couldn't even begin to investigate before deciding to freeze. Took me several months to finally put together a new concept, but everything moves so fast (and the physical violence is still aplenty there) that I couldn't attempt to keep up. I log in still, but I only rarely chat OOC on the Vampire channel, and I think I've had all of one person in the month+ I've been there express any interest in RP. As it is, I'm probably gonna hang it up before long and just not bother -- I like Luxor well enough, but as fast as things move, I can't keep up with that, especially not with me being much busier at a couple of other places.
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This feedback comes with caveat that my professional life forced me away from being able to play and I was, at the time, burned out but didn't quite understand it as such until I spent some time away. So grain of salt engaged:
FH: I didn't stay long. I was playing an Ensorcelled Mortal and struggled to find RP in general. I mostly hung out in IC bars and shop fronts joping to catch someone and most people I found were mega idle. A lot of the RP at the time seemed to be going on in places that my PC wouldn't have access to/know about as a new PC. The +event calendar was fairly active but they were events I couldn't attend and/or a time zone mismatch. Channels were friendly but the game seemed, at the time, not very sure what to do with non-Changelings PCs.
F&L: I made a mortal thaumaturge and there wasn't much to do for the template. Things were very vampire heavy (sounds like they still are). Channels were less friendly, that I recall. Not unfriendly, either. Just neutral, I guess? Staff kept encouraging me to stick around as they were trying to get some +events happening for non-vampires but I ran into the timezone issue again and I couldn't attend most of them.
Haven't played the other two.
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Oh, hey, I can contribute to this thread. I actually know a bit about Dream Chasers and Battle Fantasia but not any of the others, haha.
I believe Dream Chasers was founded by some people who used to play on (and I think, at one point, staff on) Match of the Millennium, where I imagine they honed their CSYS-coding/designing chops. Regardless, their combat system and innovative dungeon-crawling system are very cool. I apped an OC there when it opened and everyone was extremely nice. But I found the mishmash of themes to be very jarring; it seemed motivated by "what the staff like" and not "what goes together coherently." Which is fine, but I couldn't really get into the whole Lunar/Wild Arms/Xenogears??/some Tales games but not others shebang.
I haven't heard anything about Battle Fantasia in a while. I was invited to join once and due to bad experiences with the headwiz as a hyper-controlling player on other games, I declined. I later heard predictable rumors about fallout from staff being hyper-controlling. (But I didn't hear any specifics, so take that with a grain of salt.) Dunno how it is now.
PS: Thanks for showing interest in Match of the Millennium, @Alzie!
