Dec 21, 2017, 6:38 AM

@thenomain said in World of Darkness -- Alternative Settings:

My core problem with WoD is the players play the monsters, but rarely monstrously.

I will hit on this a second time, because holy balls. Between no Left Handed Legacies, Pure/Bale Hounds, VII/Belial's Brood, and/or Fae Loyalist PCs on nWoD games, and oWoD games either disallowing Sab/Wyrm/Technocracy outright or only allowing STAFF to be bad (other players may make an attempt, but they'll get PK'd for trying)? Takes a bit of the sting out.

True, you do not NEED these antagonists to be PCs. But if they are only allowed for plots as cannon fodder, and the rest of the time you just sit in a bar or your house sipping tea or whatever... what is the point again? They are not a persistent threat (unless the plot calls for them to be), but rather, they are often only a speed bump to further the PCs goals.

And while I DO acknowledge that they are not needed for there to be some sort of antagonism to be a thing, it also most certainly won't be a thing if MUs continue along with the trend of super friends, as it has.