Feb 25, 2018, 7:15 PM

@thatguythere said in Dark Ages Vampire -- Terra Mariana:

the it should be like physical combat, doesn't take into account that there are certain principles people and character won't cross, the agency side of things doesn't take into account these principles tend to be quite a small number of things.

Yes and no. On one level I would be much happier with a system that is able to take into account things like a character's principles. The issue is that on a more practical level enforcing it becomes very problematic. You run a real risk of the people who want to avoid social combat simply stacking up any mandatory social combat with 'principles that must not be violated', even when it becomes something trivial like trying to go ahead in line, at which point the system is so broken that its no fun being forced into it.

The principles a character 'absolutely will not violate' might be relatively small, but there's a larger number of issues that a character 'won't violate without a very good reason' (and an even larger range of 'resistant to violating). If Sarah looks like a strung out drug addict and she begs Joe not to take her in and says she's only robbing the store because otherwise her pimp is going to have her son killed then Joe might actually go along with it. He probably won't let her take anything (or if he absolutely has no choice he may limit what she takes), will force her to tell her who her pimp is and then makes her agree to a plan so that they can rescue her son and then she turns herself in, but he could conceivable go along with the request under those conditions.

In this context it isn't that he simply won't allow anyone to commit a crime. His principles recognize that the world is not black and white and sometimes rules have to give. However, just because he hasn't taken the absolute 'no exceptions to the law' stance doesn't mean an alternate Sarah should have a hope in Hell of convincing him to allow her to make off with all the loot in exchange for a kiss. In fact, given Joe's 'drive for justice' personality something like that should not only fail outright but it should probably make it -more- difficult for Sarah if she realizes that is a hopeless avenue and moves to some other form of manipulation (such as intimidation), because now Joe is pissed at her.