Good or New Movies Review
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He had a bit more purpose then that, he was also included to show what a complete bastard Captain Boomerang was. After all it was Boomerbutt who convinces Slipknot that the explosive brackets had to be a bluff and that he should try to run off during the mission against the Manhunters in the swamps. Then when Slipknot gets his arm blown off Digger's respnce, Huh I guess they were serious, better he tried then me."
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@SG said in Good or New Movies Review:
I didn't even care about the Joker, he seemed shoehorned in ...
Can't really have Harley without Mr. J.
... who was that bionic commando dude they tacked on at the end? Did he even get a line?
That was Slipknot, played by Adam Beach. I guess he would have served more of a purpose than demonstrating Col. Flag's ruthlessness. Of course, Slipknot, like Boomerang, is utterly useless in the larger scheme of the DCEU, so his death is just fine with me.
Honestly this movie puzzled the shit out of me. This is the team that's allegedly going to take Superman down or a similar threat, if they go rogue.
But the only person who sort of somewhat has powers is El Diablo.
In the original comic book, the Squad wasn't created to take down Superman-level threats but to take on jobs that Superman and Batman and their like wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. Hiring well-trained miscreants, psychotics and the like makes sense in that context, but not in the context the movie is creating for the Squad's raison d'etre. As it stands, it makes Amandda Waller look like a grade-A idiot because she basically looked at Harley Quinn with her mallet and went "Oh yeah, she could totally take down Superman with that shit, sign her up."
Then again, Amanda Waller as a particularly idiotic and incompetent government bureaucrat is the one narrative that makes sense in this movie, considering the only reason the Squad is deployed in this mission is because they're there to rescue Amanda Waller from a mess she created, and from which she somehow managed to not get evacuated, despite the fact that the rest of the city managed it.
I mean. Who the fuck keeps an ancient and demonically possessed artifact in their fucking closet?
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@Vorpal said in Good or New Movies Review:
I mean. Who the fuck keeps an ancient and demonically possessed artifact in their fucking closet?
Er, the Ghostbsters?
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@Thenomain Unless Amanda Waller has Tobin's Spirit Guide at her fingertips and a degree in advanced demonology, conjuring and binding, I don't think she has quite the same level of preparation as Egon Spengler...
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In the cartoon series, they keep possessed demonic artifacts in safe keeping in their closet, sure.
I have no idea who Amanda Walker is, or why anyone is getting this up in arms over a comic book movie because for flip's sake it's a comic book turned into a movie.
I liked the X-Men movies because they weren't. I liked Spider Man (MacGuire) because they weren't. I hated Wolverine vs. Japan because it was. Everyone was universally bored out of their mind by the first half of the Hobbit movie because it tried too hard to be the source material. Movies are only at their best when they're allowed to be movies.
And no matter how much money Suciide Squad made or how low the ratings, even that statement isn't saying much.
Edit: Exception that proves the rule: Scott Pilgrim
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You have a very funny definition of 'up in arms.' If by 'up in arms' you mean having fun by poking at the holes in what was clearly an incredibly rushed movie (six weeks for the screenplay) , okay, I'm up in arms.
But by the regular definition of the expression, I'm not. I'm only puzzled at the bad choices in the movie, especially since they make a character who has been an established competent bad-ass staple of the DC universe look like she'd lose her head if it weren't attached to her body.
Which, honestly, is hilarious if you know anything about the character. Since you don't, I suggest you look it up and then you'll see just how hilariously bad it is.
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Wasn't talking about you being up in arms, no.
I am talking about how it doesn't matter about the character for people new to the canon, which I am. The movie defines them in the scope of the movie, and I find it hilarious people like you want to merge the comic source and the movie source together when they're clearly not.
Well, I don't find it hilarious, but I find people who use the term "I find it hilarious" worth mocking for not spending any time to rub two brain cells together and come up with a real argument.
Comic book movies are serious business, yo.
(final edit:) Cute Kermit Spider is cute.
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Well, it's too late for that!
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Your spirit animal is the peacock jumping spider?
(mumbles: Why am I not even surprised....)
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@Thenomain I think people are more prone to being upset/losing their minds if they car about the material at hand - their origin doesn't much matter as much as their treatment.
For instance one of my peeves about Batman vs Superman was how poor a detective Bats was in it; come on, the world's greatest detective and someone who clearly knows his identity has been sending him clues and letters for months but he didn't figure it out? It's a very minor issue in a movie riddled with larger plot holes (although the imagery and scope resonated well with me otherwise) but I was irked.
Either way though I wouldn't have cared at all if I didn't like the character. If they screwed up... dunno, a comic book I don't read or a manga property turned into a movie (since I don't watch manga) it'd be irrelevant to me.
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@Arkandel I rationalized most of BvS away as Batman still recovering from a face-full of the latest Joker experiment, so throughout most of the movie he was trippin' balls while trying to keep up with what was going on while trying to ignore the wall-spiders that were singing at him.
And suddenly I wrote a better movie than Goyer did. It even accounts for the blatant Injustice tie-in.
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@Vorpal said in Good or New Movies Review:
Then again, Amanda Waller as a particularly idiotic and incompetent government bureaucrat is the one narrative that makes sense in this movie, considering the only reason the Squad is deployed in this mission is because they're there to rescue Amanda Waller from a mess she created, and from which she somehow managed to not get evacuated, despite the fact that the rest of the city managed it.
This seems to sum up why the people who aren't comic book nerds aren't up in arms about the movie.
I liked it. I liked it because Waller is in over her head, right from the start. When Enchantress goes rogue, that's the moment you figure that Waller doesn't get it. And there's no reason Waller knew, or would have known, that El Diablo was more than a ganger that could shoot fire.
Waller wanted a super-team, and got a squad of super-asses. And the only reason they won is because El Diablo turned out to be more than he seemed, and ancient Gods are vulnerable to explosive charges.
So, yeah, they made Waller look dumb, but, in doing so, the plot is neatly tied up. And we get Margot Robbie in boy shorts.
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The reason comic fans hate the messed up Waller, she is one of the few people to win a metaphorical stare down Batman.
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@ThatGuyThere said in Good or New Movies Review:
The reason comic fans hate the messed up Waller, she is one of the few people to win a metaphorical stare down Batman.
And Ra's al Ghul is immortal, and not in the sense that new ones get appointed.
And Mr. Freeze is this:
Not this:
Things change. Comic book fans need to lighten the fuck up.
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Suicide Squad would have been a mildly fun, totally forgettable movie except it triggers trypophobia and I spent about 25% of it unable to look at the screen.
0/10
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Though I did not mind the changes the Nolan movies made to Ra's they basically kept the core of the character the same as do the changes you shown of Freeze hell even the god awful movie where Arnold played him got the char right. My complaint is that from everything I have heard the Squad movie got the character of the Wall wrong.
I freely state it is just my own opinion but hey I am the one who decides what movies get my money and am free to use the criteria I see fit.
Nah this is the internet bitching is what it was made for, well that and the military.
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@ThatGuyThere said in Good or New Movies Review:
My complaint is that from everything I have heard the Squad movie got the character of the Wall wrong.
I'm sorry -- did you just say that Arnold did Dr. Freeze justice in Batman and Robin? If so, then you need to check your personal criteria severely.
This may be the sine qua non point of repulsion for you, but let me suggest the things that the movie got right: (1) keeping the backgrounds of the several villains short and tight; (2) not letting the darkness in theme and setting or maudlin overwhelm the humor; and (3) Jared Leto.
Here are some other things that are bad about the movie: (1) ugh, the camerawork is like Paul Greengrass had sex with vertigo-suffering gecko; (2) no self-respecting gun-toting maniac would use side-loading devices; (3) fucking stop casting Cara Delevingne in anything; (4) what the fuck was the point in having Katana?; and (5) Killer Croc is way more than a big, scaly monster.
Still, better than Guardians of the Galaxy.
“It is better to live doing the things that you like. It is foolish to live within this dream of a world seeing unpleasantness and doing only things that you do not like.” -- Yamamoto Tsunetomo.
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@Arkandel said in Good or New Movies Review:
No way.
Way. So way. Guardians of the Galaxy suffers from a bad case of whysoserious.
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@Ganymede said in Good or New Movies Review:
I'm sorry -- did you just say that Arnold did Dr. Freeze justice in Batman and Robin? If so, then you need to check your personal criteria severely.
No I said the movie got the core of his character right. Though honestly I thought Arnold did an acceptable job I mean it's Mr. Freeze, to me the character is nothing more then a Gotham D-lister ranking around the likes of Calendar Man, The Firebug (Note I do mean Firebug not Firefly the essentially identical character but with a better visual design) and Crazy Quilt.
Though I do apologize for mentioning Batman and Robin as it is off topic in this thread being neither good nor new.
