MSB, SJW, and other acronyms
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@kanye-qwest said in San Francisco.:
Sometimes when you fly off the handle like an asshole, people will bring it up later. As I'm sure anyone can tell you.
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@deadculture said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:
Such as, I know a professor who lost his job and got arrested because he posted the picture of a dark beer, and said:
What's his name? I'd like to read the story about this fellow.
You throw a 'cunt' out there, it's armageddon again. And before someone tries to apply critical theory to my argument: please don't. You can't have it both ways. Either do it in the absolute or don't do it at all.
Everyone says they want unmoderated free speech course corrected by social admonishment, but no one ever seems to want what that ends up looking like.
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Everyone says they want unmoderated free speech course corrected by social admonishment, but no one ever seems to want what that ends up looking like.
I can take my licks just fine. But I also never need to descend to the level of name-calling. I can just describe what I think of people in not so nice but still polite words, when I need to. Labels are limiting, both for the person being labeled and for the person labeling. Why waste your energy with one word when a sentence can do the trick?
What's his name? I'd like to read the story about this fellow.
You may want to read the part where I said I am from a country where freedom of expression (different from freedom of speech in a few ways) is basically just an empty guarantee by the federal constitution. I'm not doxing myself for your amusement. My bad.
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Truthful non snark: @surreality, I'm not reading your posts, so responding to me is going to be a one sided conversation. Just so you know I don't see it if you are asking me questions or something.
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Don't worry; it was just an excerpt from one of your own posts.
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@deadculture said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:
You may want to read the part where I said I am from a country where freedom of expression (different from freedom of speech in a few ways) is basically just an empty guarantee by the federal constitution. I'm not doxing myself for your amusement. My bad.
Ah. I did not realize that you were the only person who knew this professor and as such saying his name would lead to jailtime.
My bad.
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@theonceler lol
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@theonceler said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:
@deadculture said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:
You may want to read the part where I said I am from a country where freedom of expression (different from freedom of speech in a few ways) is basically just an empty guarantee by the federal constitution. I'm not doxing myself for your amusement. My bad.
Ah. I did not realize that you were the only person who knew this professor and as such saying his name would lead to jailtime.
My bad.
That's a very Hog Pit-tier kind of bait, I'll say.
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As for the larger topic of this thread, I think that saying words are entirely neutral outside of intent is wrong and not how language works, that the words we use absolutely has an effect on how we think about things and the world around us, that they're always involved in systematic oppression and that part of that is making them commonplace beyond intended oppression. But mostly I imagine my reputation is already yelling about stuff for me and no one is surprised and I'm just kind of tired.
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@deadculture said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:
@theonceler said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:
@deadculture said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:
You may want to read the part where I said I am from a country where freedom of expression (different from freedom of speech in a few ways) is basically just an empty guarantee by the federal constitution. I'm not doxing myself for your amusement. My bad.
Ah. I did not realize that you were the only person who knew this professor and as such saying his name would lead to jailtime.
My bad.
That's a very Hog Pit-tier kind of bait, I'll say.
Goodness, no.
That would be more like
Guys, unmoderated free speech is bad because Hitler once did a free speech and then my great grandmother was murdered.
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@theonceler That's not the bait, that's the hook. GET IT RIGHT
Also, it wasn't unmoderated. Weimar Germany had laws against discriminatory speech:
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@roz You might be surprised, really. (I mean in a good way.)
I mean, all my old files have the 'don't be a dick' stuff in them that is everywhere, and the category of 'dickery'.
Yes, there's a power discrepancy difference between male and female terms, and that's relevant, but I think gendered derogatory language is just better avoided regardless on the whole if we're going there at all, even if it's not necessarily equivalent due to said power discrepancy.
After that
verbal fist fightdiscussion, I decided that whenever I rework those files, that language is going to change to gender neutral terminology, full stop. (I'm thinkin' "asshole", 'cause everybody's got one, and "don't be an asshole" is plenty clear. <shrugs>)That may sound like a small thing, but it isn't.
Oh fucking well.
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4 people have called me that since. They were all in handcuffs at the time. 2 were women! I'm pretty inured now.
Can someone else be the cunt example next time, maybe? That was like a year ago.
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@saosmash I've been called a cheeky cunt by angry Brits during a Planetside 2 army operation. Does that count?
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@deadculture Cheeky cunt sounds kinda cute, like a vagina you might want to hang out with. I'm usually a stupid cunt. Or just a cunt, by itself.
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@saosmash The Lonely Cunt, from Little Golden Books
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@surreality Yeah, I mean, I will talk about the differing power of language, but I don't tend to use "dick" as an insult either these days, because I do think we're better off casting both to the wayside. In this recent case, the "but we've used the term 'dick' forever" is really just -- you know, no one was talking about that word? Was Seraphim defending his right to use it while also asking people not to use a word? Nah. I mean, if someone wants to be like "Can we not use 'dick' as an insult then, either" I'd be like, well okay. Like, joke's on you! I still count the removal of all gendered insults as a win.
ETA: I'm not actually sure which part you meant would surprise me, tho
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@deadculture said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:
@saosmash I've been called a cheeky cunt by angry Brits during a Planetside 2 army operation. Does that count?
This right here is why policing language on a forum on the internet is pointless. Words are tied to culture, and this is not a US centric forum, and going along with the intent of a word; a Brit calling a person a cunt will be much less scathing than an American using it.
FWIW people can call me an Americanized Cunt any time they like... in the Hog Pit though, please.
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@saosmash FWIW, I seem to be the word-magnet on the forum now. I don't especially care, though, so it sorta just bounces off.
People screaming it in my face RL? Less bouncy. But that's more 'wtf, there is a total stranger screaming hostilities in my face, what the hell is happening here' than the language they're using.
...I did kinda have to chuckle a little at this tiny frail wee little old lady who hurled it and a shedload of other nastiness at me for sitting on the smoking bench in my mother-in-law's condo complex for having green hair, though. She went off. Baffling as hell and just... so much... whut? Like, it's the smoking bench, but I still expect people to snark or side-eye me for smoking regardless because that's how people do, but it being about the hair just blew my dang mind, for real. She was carrying little sunshine yellow crochet baby shoes she was working on while she yelled, y'all, it was trippy.
Oh fucking well.
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@roz Mostly just that sometimes, something potentially positive comes out of it. Most times these things feel more futile than they actually are.
