MSB, SJW, and other acronyms

[Insomnia]

@surreality Clearly it was because your hair was green, and not blue or purple. Green washes out so fricken fast!

[deadculture]

@surreality said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:

@saosmash FWIW, I seem to be the word-magnet on the forum now. I don't especially care, though, so it sorta just bounces off.

People screaming it in my face RL? Less bouncy. But that's more 'wtf, there is a total stranger screaming hostilities in my face, what the hell is happening here' than the language they're using.

...I did kinda have to chuckle a little at this tiny frail wee little old lady who hurled it and a shedload of other nastiness at me for sitting on the smoking bench in my mother-in-law's condo complex for having green hair, though. She went off. Baffling as hell and just... so much... whut? Like, it's the smoking bench, but I still expect people to snark or side-eye me for smoking regardless because that's how people do, but it being about the hair just blew my dang mind, for real. She was carrying little sunshine yellow crochet baby shoes she was working on while she yelled, y'all, it was trippy.

Lady has mastered the rare art of knitting while cursing.

[surreality]

@insomnia There's blue and purple in there, too! And orange! The aqua is gone in like, a week, though.

@deadculture In all seriousness, if I had that gift, I would probably have a really popular youtube channel dedicated to it by now.

[Packrat]

I just know that I recently went on a first date with a gorgeous Nigerian woman, she spoke perfect English, worked in Birmingham as a project manager, was pleasantly amazed at how I had some some basic homework on her home country and could talk with her about it.

Then after saying how much she liked living in the UK she started talking about how it was a shame that 'the gays' had so much power and were allowed to, presumably, exist. At this point I paid for the meal and walked out because frankly I have no time for bigots or people who willfully blind themselves to bigotry.

[Insomnia]

@surreality Practice makes perfect? But also, take it from me, people will watch anything You just need to market yourself well.

[deadculture]

@surreality Better get on that.

Name it the Rantwing channel and start going off about things while you make itty bitty hats and shoes and coats.

[Auspice]

Crocheting while swearing is super easy. Knitting is a bit harder.

Anyway, I know @deadculture is who he says he is but damn if I'm gonna read an article in Portuguese you bastard.

[deadculture]

@auspice I would literally pay someone 2 dollars on patreon or some other funding website if they could fold origami while cursing profusely in a stream of consciousness Al Pacino-style rant about an issue.

[Auspice]

@deadculture said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:

@auspice I would literally pay someone 2 dollars on patreon or some other funding website if they could fold origami while cursing profusely in a stream of consciousness Al Pacino-style rant about an issue.

How many other people do you think would do that?

I can fold teeny tiny origami cranes. Like, pinky nail sized.
I am p sure I could fold standard sized ones while ranting no prob.

[Doozer]

[deadculture]

@auspice It depends on how funny the rant is, I think. Al Pacino's rants are probably considered highly offensive these days whereas they were kind of acceptable in the 90s. So you'd have to strike a happy medium somewhere.

[insomniac7809]

I just don't really buy the whole "community will regulate bigoted shit-flinging" deal, especially on the intertubes.

That works as long as the community has a strong core of non-shitbags who are, for whatever reason, dedicated to sticking out and shouting down shitbaggery. As opposed to non-shitbags just picking up sticks and going somewhere with a less unpleasant shitbag/non- ratio, which itself skews the ratio shitbag-wise, making it less appealing to non-shitbags, and on and on and now you have 4chan.

[Insomnia]

@deadculture I mean there are people on Twitch who do Origami, no clue if they swear or not though, but if they are an affiliate you can send them bits among other things.

@auspice As I said earlier to @surreality that people will literally watch anything, you just need to market yourself to get people who would not normally be interested to watch.

There are streams where people just eat. Nothing else, but eat.

People will watch you knit and or do origami and swear.

Also you can set your stream 18+ and then they have to agree. Just don't go off on a racist rant or anything.

[Insomnia]

Dear NodeDB, don't give me the option to purge a post when I double post and then say I can;t do it because I don't have the permissions, you tease.

[faraday]

@arkandel said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:

@faraday said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:

Haven't we proven time and time again that the community doesn't regulate itself?

I don't know that we have. I hope not.

What exactly is your definition of self-regulation then? Because people yelling "you're being a jerk" "no I'm not!" at each other until it escalates badly enough to get chucked into the hog pit is really not my definition of regulation.

Quiet admonishments to be nice only works if the people on the receiving end actually care. When the only consequence is the thread being moved to the free-for-all area, then there's actually no consequence at all to the offenders. The only consequence is that those of us who choose not to participate in the free-for-all area get cut out of the conversation.

@arkandel said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:

What I don't want is to make this forum unwelcoming to anyone who doesn't share my personal views.

But by allowing trolls to troll with thinly-veiled cracks, you're essentially making the forum unwelcoming to anyone who wants to have a non-troll-bombed conversation. That's where we are right now. The mods have to decide if that's where you want the place to remain. We can have another 20-page long thread about moderation but it really feels like we're just arguing in circles every time this comes up.

[Kanye Qwest]

Self-regulation is never going to work if 'we don't do that here' is not true. If we do that here, then what can anyone say to anyone else? I'm not even saying I feel the kind of speech being discussed needs to be moderated, but that sort of passive community influence only works if the community is mostly homogeneous in their view of a behavior, or if that behavior is mandated or outlawed by some kind of policy.

[Templari]

I'm going to be as short as possible in my response that I will probably be forced to regret.

I feel that it has been made abundantly clear on this forum, unless one is left leaning in nature, they should keep their mouths shut. Regardless of topic. If you try to speak otherwise, the dogpile will come.That if you are a moderate, or right leaning, you're simply not welcome here.

That. Is exactly how this place has made me feel.

[Arkandel]

@faraday said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:

@arkandel said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:

What I don't want is to make this forum unwelcoming to anyone who doesn't share my personal views.

But by allowing trolls to troll with thinly-veiled cracks, you're essentially making the forum unwelcoming to anyone who wants to have a non-troll-bombed conversation. That's where we are right now. The mods have to decide if that's where you want the place to remain. We can have another 20-page long thread about moderation but it really feels like we're just arguing in circles every time this comes up.

I'm not trying to be sarcastic here, but it's hard to tell if having complaints both about silencing people by catering to SJWs and - at the same time - not moderating enough to push contentious behavior out is a sign we're doing something very wrong or very right.

It's kind of funny, just difficult to draw conclusions from.

[faraday]

@arkandel said in MSB, SJW, and other acronyms:

I'm not trying to be sarcastic here, but it's hard to tell if having complaints both about silencing people by catering to SJWs and - at the same time - not moderating enough to push contentious behavior out is a sign we're doing something very wrong or very right.

Also not being sarcastic, but I think that's the reality any time you do moderation. You'll inevitably get complaints from both sides. Nobody likes being silenced, so they're gonna complain. And unless the board is 100% in alignment of what should be silenced, some of them are going to complain the other way.

The real question is not who complains more, but whether the net result is giving you the kind of forum you want to have. (Or, if you leave it to democracy - what the majority of members, not necessarily the majority of complainers, wish to have).

[insomniac7809]

@arkandel Technically @Templari complained about being dogpiled, which is exactly the sort of community-based free speech shouting down that "no moderation" advocates.