Kushiel's Debut

[Sunny]

@deadculture No, I actually don't know if it's not true. I blew up at Asherat, to Asherat, after she initiated the conversation with me. My 'apologize to the playerbase' "demand" was in direct response to her asking what she could do to make it better.

Also: They didn't "quit with me". They blew up over a thing and quit. I said I was going to take a break, had an argument with Asherat, and said I was going to take a week off. When @Echx came after me on FB, I logged back in and quit as staff, noting that I'd be back in a week on Emma to see where things were.

[deadculture]

@Sunny Well, then I'm gonna be telling you here, this, right now: that ain't true. They blew up on someone. It wasn't fair, and it most certainly wasn't fucking all right to do so. What happened between you and Asherat, is not what I am talking about.

[Echx]

@Sunny,

I didn't say you sent nasty mails. I said people did.

Numerous people have talked to me - and staff - about the grief they've been given over their participation in that scene, giant heapings of guilt for being included where other people got left out.

Things could have been handled more gracefully on both sides. Instead there was a drama bomb.

Did I contact you on Facebook? Sure. Have I known you for like... 15 years and did I think you might handle things differently? Absolutely. I guess that's my fault.

[Sunny]

@Echx I had already expressed a desire to take a break from the situation. I had expressed that desire TO YOU like two messages back from the BS you sent me. I was angry and needed some time off. Your messages made it very clear to me that there was no fucking hope of anything changing, because Asherat was more interested in getting reassurances from THE FUCKING STAR OF EVERYTHING than she was in actually acknowledging that there was a problem.

You've known me for 15 years, yeah? You should know better than to fucking come at me when I have said 'I DO NOT WANT TO DISCUSS THIS'.

[Sunny]

Ahwell. And apparently they have removed my very polite posts from the bboards there. Isn't that sweet. Ahwell, folks mostly know where to find me.

[Saulot]

Yep. Dodged a bullet.

[OrcRiot]

eats popcorn

[Skaldia]

Ok, since it seems Sunny will only address me where her adoring fanbase can cheer her on, let's put on a performance. Its true that she, nor any of the people who ragequit, said anything untoward in a public forum, until they began posting on this site about it. However, through secondhand sources (because again, none of the cowards with complaints actually bothered addressing them to me...how ethical of them, right?) I learned of a lot of complaining that had been going on privately. This is primarily what I was referring to in my email to Sunny. So fine, people are entitled to their opinions. However, they go on to leave, based on these opinions, while blowing up at other players on the way out (something we have harassment rules against on the game), and in Sunny's (a staff member) case, leaving a large scene she had committed to running well before it was over. And to whomever accused me of not taking the time to get my facts straight, it has been over a week. My facts are as straight as I can get when people refuse to talk to me.

Please tell me how I am supposed to know what your complaints are, what it is you are after in +jobs that are submitted, if you do not tell me? Unlike in the game, supernatural powers don't exist in real life, so I cannot read your fucking minds. If I get banned or whatever, I really don't care. I only registered to get this off of my chest. I am quite happy to run my game without the prima donnas who left over this issue.

[Tempest]

This, my friends, is another example of why you keep MU-people at arm's length when it comes to OOC shit, even if you 'think' you're friends with them.

Everything goes from "tee-hee we friends" to "lemme rage about this MU-drama that didn't go the way I want on your facebook (or worse), like a dumbass with no sense of decorum".

[TNP]

@Shlappy said in Kushiel's Debut:

Sucks that they have some pretty harsh opinions towards the people who quit, whatever their reason.

The one who holds up the mirror is the one who gets blamed for what they see.

[Sunny]

@Skaldia said in Kushiel's Debut:

However, through secondhand sources (because again, none of the cowards with complaints actually bothered addressing them to me...how ethical of them, right?) I learned of a lot of complaining that had been going on privately. This is primarily what I was referring to in my email to Sunny. So fine, people are entitled to their opinions. However, they go on to leave, based on these opinions, while blowing up at other players on the way out (something we have harassment rules against on the game), and in Sunny's (a staff member) case, leaving a large scene she had committed to running well before it was over. And to whomever accused me of not taking the time to get my facts straight, it has been over a week. My facts are as straight as I can get when people refuse to talk to me.

I did none of these things besides failing to talk to you about it while I was talking with Ash. And I'm disgusting and toxic. After everything I've done.

I was tired and upset the night of the big scene, nothing of import was going on, so I asked if someone else minded taking over for me. Someone stepped up to do so, and I quietly logged off. I didn't drama, I didn't shriek, I didn't send out nasty mails, I did NONE of these things and had NOTHING to do with them being done.

But I'm the one that got the e-mail.

I'm the one that got harassed on FB.

After everything that I have poured into the game, you then send me an email talking about being disgusted by me when I DID NOTHING WRONG.

Fuck you.

[Skaldia]

Right back at you, Sunny. Fuck off.

[Caryatid]

@Skaldia The only reason I started on your game again was because of @Sunny speaking of it in glowing terms on these forums. She talked about how it had changed and improved. The only reason I lasted as long as I did on this last attempt was because I could see how hard she was working to make her positive representation of the game a reality.

She did a lot for your game. That you are treating her this way now because you're upset with how your choices are being portrayed paints you in a worse light than her.

[Shlappy]

Prima donnas. That's rich.

[Saulot]

@Skaldia I mean no offense, but everything I've seen on most games (and places like here) has shown me that a lot of people honestly don't feel too comfortable complaining to staff about anything. Especially if it's complaining to staff about staff.

[OrcRiot]

I was considering checking this out, even with the complaints but then Skaldia came on here and soured that decision. Jesus.

[3543thrh67]

It is harder to complain on a smaller/niche game about other staffer s and certain players, yup. I get mad fast, mind, but, for the most part over it relatively quickly. My only real 'complaint' that bothers me is plots that take players off grids for undetermined lengths of time but this is not specific to Kushiel's Debut it's a general dislike for me.

[lordbelh]

@Skaldia said in Kushiel's Debut:

Ok, since it seems Sunny will only address me where her adoring fanbase can cheer her on

She has an adoring fanbase here?

@Skaldia said in Kushiel's Debut:

If I get banned or whatever, I really don't care.

I think you have a mistaken opinion on how the Musoapbox works. Unless you're a shit stirring troll, we'll tolerate your presence whether or not we think you're an asshole. Me, I think you are one, but not because I am a fanboi of @Sunny.

[deadculture]

@DnvnQuinn I think you should give it a try nevertheless. The Haven people are having a good time. It's not an exclusive game. People try to be inclusive. Sometimes it's hard to know who to approach to get oneself involved, yes, but with some RP effort it can work out.

See: @Sunny's former character, who got into the Dauphine's good graces by saving her from a poisoning, became Duchesse, and was very much poised to involve herself in many plots had she simply asked what she could do.

[OrcRiot]

@deadculture I'll probably give it a little time. Everyones all riled up and I'm sure people joining right now will be looked upon with suspicion.