Ruins of Pern - Discussion


  • Pitcrew

    @meg

    Or people have different thresholds for skeevy. She was a consenting and very interested adult. shrug


  • Pitcrew

    I'll be interested to see an AresPern.

    Losing/bucking a lot of the Pern conventions when it comes to code (e.g., dragon-objects, firelizard-objects ew, etc.) will be nice.



  • @meg said in Ruins of Pern:

    @paris Yeah, but they introduced that /he/ was like, super into her and jealous of Sebell in Masterharper. Iirc. Which, yeah, a young girl having a crush on a mentor isn't that odd, and in DragonSinger it was played pretty well with Robinton being like, look at this guy here. But the reverse is skeevy, tbh.

    Only skeevy IMO if he did something about it, which he didn't.


  • Pitcrew

    @aerianyx said in Ruins of Pern:

    I was always partial to Dragonsdawn, and the story of Sallah Telgar always got to me. I really enjoyed almost all of those books, really. I think they made a profound impression on me from a very young age. I don't remember when it was I started reading them. But I think it was around eleven or twelve.

    Sallah! :(


  • Pitcrew

    @templari I'm prettttty sure one of the Keaton characters has a mother named Sallah.

    ETA: Amari. Amari's mother was Sallah Keaton, nee Crovane.


  • Pitcrew

    TELGAR! TELGAR!

    Sorry, had to.

    As for skeeve, yeah well, there's plenty of that to go around for the Pern setting, especially if you have no plans to apply Death of the Author. The literary trope, not the fact that Anne has actually passed. We all know what I'm talking about, right? Do I have to even say it?



  • @cupcake said in Ruins of Pern:

    TELGAR! TELGAR!

    Sorry, had to.

    As for skeeve, yeah well, there's plenty of that to go around for the Pern setting, especially if you have no plans to apply Death of the Author. The literary trope, not the fact that Anne has actually passed. We all know what I'm talking about, right? Do I have to even say it?

    you don't have to say it.



  • @meg said in Ruins of Pern - Discussion:

    @cupcake said in Ruins of Pern:

    TELGAR! TELGAR!

    Sorry, had to.

    As for skeeve, yeah well, there's plenty of that to go around for the Pern setting, especially if you have no plans to apply Death of the Author. The literary trope, not the fact that Anne has actually passed. We all know what I'm talking about, right? Do I have to even say it?

    you don't have to say it.

    Look, Todd tried.

    He just, uh.

    Should have taken up a different career.
    I personally pretend his books don't exist.



  • @auspice oh, i thought she was more referring to the crazy things that Anne herself has said. Not Todd. (tho lol todd). Like Anne saying that greenriders /turn gay/, etc.

    Hence the 'if you don't use Death of the Author concept'.



  • @meg said in Ruins of Pern - Discussion:

    @auspice oh, i thought she was more referring to the crazy things that Anne herself has said. Not Todd. (tho lol todd). Like Anne saying that greenriders /turn gay/, etc.

    Hence the 'if you don't use Death of the Author concept'.

    Oh, yeah, that too.
    I still run into people who try to say Anne was open-minded because she had gay characters and it's like weeeeeeeeeell..........


  • Pitcrew

    @auspice said in Ruins of Pern - Discussion:

    I still run into people who try to say Anne was open-minded because she had gay characters and it's like weeeeeeeeeell..........

    I was just having this conversation the other day.

    Like, it was nice that there were actual gay characters in her books (originally published in like 1969). But she doesn't exactly deserve props for being open-minded.

    #gayhormone


  • Pitcrew

    Well, again it was also about her thoughts on how a man becomes gay that was particularly WTF, Anne.

    WTF, Anne.



  • @krmbm said in Ruins of Pern - Discussion:

    #gayhormone

    <shudders>

    But that's exactly my feeling. Yes, it was nice there were gay characters and I will leave it at that.



  • @krmbm said in Ruins of Pern - Discussion:

    #gayhormone

    #Tentpegs



  • It was pretty silly, but at the time the books came out, it was progressive to have a mostly-gay fighting force (even if most of them were off-camera). She did retcon a few things (bronzeriders using a substitute rather than a male during greenflights), Lytol's green becoming a brown, etc, because of her own discomfort with it.

    I've always liked the world for RP, but with a bit of handwaving over the more problematic parts of it that don't need to come up in a game at all.



  • Most games have always handwaved that stuff. And done things like 'women can fly gold, brown, blue, or green,' 'men can fly bronze, brown, blue, or green' and 'you can be whatever sexuality you want' (well, up until the 2010's, some did still press that metallics had to be straight....).

    It just made sense really. Dragons have their own broad, wide range of personality. There's no reason to force sexuality alongside 'em ffs.


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