Intersectional MU* Community - Discussion

[BobGoblin]

I haven't seen an adequate amount of rage from people re: Mueller Report. Is there a thread I'm missing where that's happening? I need the sweet sweet taste of Leftist Tears to tickle my tongue.

[Tinuviel]

@BobGoblin Probably in the politics section.

[Thenomain]

@Ghost said in Intersectional MU* Community - Discussion:

@Thenomain said in Intersectional MU* Community - Discussion:

there's a lot of implication in your questions and conclusions that a dictator, even a benevolent one, is worse than a quorum.

Not really.

It could go either way.

"It depends?" No kidding? Tautologies gonna tautology.

Take MSB for example. @Arkandel releasing it to some kind of public ownership makes no sense, but what's interesting is that this group is a socio-political movement of sorts based on the importance of such a group to exist to protect people. While Ark has final say on admin level decisions for the space, the decision has been made to let the group decide what it wants itself to be within certain guidelines they feel are reasonable. Ultimately, @Arkandel owns MSB as a space, but does not take the position of leadership/ownership of what is discussed here.

Dude.

Pronouns.

Clarify when "this" is referencing two entirely different points, please, because now someone is going to add the "Duck Season/Rabbit Season" GIF.

Ultimately, @Arkandel owns MSB as a space, but does not take the position of leadership/ownership of what is discussed here.

No, but he has the tools to do so at a moment's notice. Though he and Ganymede may not take the steps to enforce this, they own this space.

"Leader" is another matter. I mean, c'mon, it's Ark. "Leader?" Pff, hah!

In short, on the topic of intersectionality

Except the topic is not "intersectionality". The topic is "discussion groups". You've said nothing that can't apply to any discussion group.

Which brings us back down to this:

• Does the creator intend to retain sole final vote on all decisions and ultimately decide what the group is or isn't about?
• Or does the creator take the approach that a socio-political topic such as intersectionality or a safe space is something that their own opinions or ego shouldn't dominate?

And I still say there's something very wrong here, either whether it's a false analogy or black-and-white once the words "ego" and "dominate" come in.

It could go either way.

Or.

It could go a little of one way plus a little of another, depending on the moment, the mood of the room, the consideration of the things going into it.

Ark and Ganymede step in from time to time, as they see needs fit. Sometimes we manage to convince them that something needs to change, sometimes they tell us that they're not going to change it. The Advertisement board is my most recent evidence, but damn if there are more options besides "do what I want" and "completely hands-off".

[Ghost]

@Thenomain Is there some reason for all the snark?

Was just saying that any group created by a person has to ultimately decide their level of control over it (or lack thereof), and how they choose to approach this is always interesting.

Don't try to search between words for some kind of agenda or personal bias. It doesn't matter what I feel my preference is or what I would do. This isn't my community.

Simply, there's a lot of philosophy involved in this sort of thing, lots of differing approaches, and you can learn a lot about a person (and what the community will be like) based on how they approach decisions like these.

[Tinuviel]

@Ghost said in Intersectional MU* Community - Discussion:

some kind of agenda or personal bias

Almost every single thing one writes is laden with an agenda or bias(es). So it's not unreasonable to search for this, especially given your recent controversial... outpouring of bias on this very topic.

[Ghost]

@Tinuviel said in Intersectional MU* Community - Discussion:

@Ghost said in Intersectional MU* Community - Discussion:

some kind of agenda or personal bias

Almost every single thing one writes is laden with an agenda or bias(es). So it's not unreasonable to search for this, especially given your recent controversial... outpouring of bias on this very topic.

Well, okay. My agenda is that I genuinely am curious how this is going to be approached, and I do think the concept is philosophically pretty interesting. Like I said, it's a choice that can't be abstained from.

If I wanted to join this group or any other group, I'd be wanting to know how the answer to this is approached.

Simple as that.

[Arkandel]

@BobGoblin said in Intersectional MU* Community - Discussion:

I haven't seen an adequate amount of rage from people re: Mueller Report. Is there a thread I'm missing where that's happening? I need the sweet sweet taste of Leftist Tears to tickle my tongue.

For starters please let's not bring politics into this forum.

For another there is already a conversation about it here.

[Tinuviel]

You will have to join the Politics user group to see it.

[Arkandel]

@Tinuviel And that's intentional.

[Tinuviel]

@Arkandel I am aware. I am simply communicating the information.

[Thenomain]

@Ghost said in Intersectional MU* Community - Discussion:

@Thenomain Is there some reason for all the snark?

Generally when people answer my admission to not sure of the point someone else is making and a willingness to learn with “no, you’re wrong”.

I also feel that “it depends” is disingenuous no matter who says it. As a thesis to what’s about to be said it’s mental pablum worthy of about as much consideration as same.

Simply, there's a lot of philosophy involved in this sort of thing, lots of differing approaches, and you can learn a lot about a person (and what the community will be like) based on how they approach decisions like these.

Yet you offered an either/or choice that anyone would be in their right to ignore. You didn’t even try to engage a different approach when you felt that your question was worthy of answering; you doubled down.

So yeah, there was a lot I thought was worth getting a bit snarky about.

[Ghost]

@Thenomain said in Intersectional MU* Community - Discussion:

@Ghost said in Intersectional MU* Community - Discussion:

@Thenomain Is there some reason for all the snark?

Generally when people answer my admission to not sure of the point someone else is making and a willingness to learn with “no, you’re wrong”.

I also feel that “it depends” is disingenuous no matter who says it. As a thesis to what’s about to be said it’s mental pablum worthy of about as much consideration as same.

Simply, there's a lot of philosophy involved in this sort of thing, lots of differing approaches, and you can learn a lot about a person (and what the community will be like) based on how they approach decisions like these.

Yet you offered an either/or choice that anyone would be in their right to ignore. You didn’t even try to engage a different approach when you felt that your question was worthy of answering; you doubled down.

So yeah, there was a lot I thought was worth getting a bit snarky about.

Hey. Idea. To avoid cluttering up this thread with "whether or not when someone says 'it depends' it's disingenuous or they feel like the answer actually depends on something", let's take this to the "whether or not when someone says 'it depends' it's disingenuous or they feel like the answer actually depends on something" thread.

That board doesn't exist because it's a stupid argument to exhaust onesself over, but if you open it I'll let you rock my world with Ryan Reynolds gifs over there, 'kay Tiger?

[Pandora]

@Tinuviel said in Intersectional MU* Community - Discussion:

@BobGoblin said in Intersectional MU* Community - Discussion:

You know what the Mu community needs? More stupidity... Oh look, I found it!

There's always room for more! We've been far too considerate and caring lately.

Not by choice, there's just a rabid mob ready to jump on you if you accidentally use a word or meme they don't like so we're a bit boxed into a culture of only being mean when the hive mind says it's okay to dogpile on something, at which point people gleefully tear into it after being repressed.

[Thenomain]

@Ghost

No no, after you. I insist!

[Ghost]

@Thenomain

[Thenomain]

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