Game of Thrones

[Ghost]

@Arkandel Haha Haha Coin and I had it out recently, wasn't gonna go there.

Yeah, I was telling someone RL a few days ago that the reason we haven't seen Edmure since Red Wedding (last we heard he was in a Lannister cell) is probably because Tobias Menzies is playing the lead role on The Crown and he's too busy with that to reprise a character that hasn't been mentioned in years.

So fans might yell "Where the fuck is Edmure?!! #Riverrun" and the answer might be that this ending simply won't touch a number of things.

We both agree. I suspect the die hard fans will have questions left over, which GRRM will claim to be writing in his novels, the next of which is probably coming out in 2056.

Not a spoiler. So no tags. We might see Edmure; it's anyone's guess, but I think we won't.

[Thenomain]

No picture of Starbucks' Westeros branch yet? Shame on y'all.

[Sparks]

@Thenomain said in Game of Thrones:

No picture of Starbucks' Westeros branch yet? Shame on y'all.

If you insist, here are stills of the Starbucks cup that was left on the table in that Winterfell celebration scene: https://twitter.com/VRonni3/status/1125340705621037057/

(Had the link handy because I'd shared it in the #got channel on my work Slack this morning.)

[insomniac7809]

@Ghost said in Game of Thrones:

I wanna see Cersei and Danaerys fight.

And by that I don't mean "dragon vs mountain", I mean Cersei vs Danaerys in a fuck you too, bitch showdown where two characters who are about as martially proficient as Gilly the Wildling choke the fuck out of each other.

[Sockmonkey]

The best comment in a GoT thread that I have read so far:

Since neither Arya or Sansa want the iron throne and almost everyone else left kinda sucks now? #TeamStarbucksCup

[surreality]

@Sockmonkey ...well, they keep saying the ending is going to be 'bittersweet', so... perfectly on point.

There is a twisted part of my soul that wants to make a parody Starbucks logo now with the kraken tentacles, tho. If only my illustrator skills were up to par, but alas.

***But if we're going there...***

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...I mean, if we're going there, they could also go full modern and just have the Golden Company suddenly stand down as a representative from the Iron Bank pomp-and-circumstances fastidiously along to Cersei to say, "Alas, Your Grace, your card has been declined," before all hell breaks loose.

Hey, it would tie up that plot thread!

[surreality]

Double post. Deal with it. Here is more text because spoiler tags, they are fussy bastards.

***I keep forgetting to yammer about this one. It's been a distracting few weeks.***

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I was... actually not surprised to see Arya kill the Night King last week.

The reason why is something of a callback, and they did give us a callback to what I'm referencing from Melisandre when she actually says the 'and what do we say to the god of death?' (Not today.) This goes all the way back to the first season.

Look at the call and response and think of word play:

"Who can defy the god of death?"
"No one can."

...and yet, the first thing she is taught is to tell the god of death 'not today'.

Now look at it not like the easy read, "There isn't anyone who can defy the god of death," and instead as though "No One" is a name.

"Who can defy the god of death?"
"No one Bob can."

"A girl must become no one Bob."

This also makes a metric fuckton of sense re: 'yes, there's an aspect of stripping away layers of identity, but not to become someone without any identity at all, but to refine and discard the chaff to become a pure expression of who someone truly is at their core,' which is essentially what she did. At which point, she's told she has become no one Bob.

"A girl must become no one Bob," in order to defy the god of death, because only by going through that process of refinement/focus/etc. can one do so. (ETA: Essentially, only by going through all of that to keep aspects of personal truth/identity rather than being broken down, tempted to easy answers, defeated, etc. is someone able to undertake that kind of challenge.) It turns the statement we've heard the whole time from 'not possible' to 'here is how', and she is even told the call-and-response of 'tell that guy to fuck right off' from season one. Then she's told how, even if this is not immediately obvious.

Melisandre is there at just the right time to give the prompt required: 'what do we say to the god of death' to remind her of the first lesson, knowing she's the one who can do it (shut many blue eyes forever).

The Night King is the closest thing to a 'god of death' essentially in the story, so, uh, I gave that pet theory some extra head scritches the other week.

[Arkandel]

Spoiler-free but can we all agree the music score not just this season (although that, too) but for the last several years has been knocking it right out of the park?

What an incredible soundtrack GoT has. I can't say enough about it. These people are so good.

[surreality]

@Arkandel Costumes, too. Especially with the thing this week. I told the maternal one to watch for it and she was practically giddy, it was adorable.

[Ghost]

@Arkandel said in Game of Thrones:

Spoiler-free but can we all agree the music score not just this season (although that, too) but for the last several years has been knocking it right out of the park?

What an incredible soundtrack GoT has. I can't say enough about it. These people are so good.

Ramin Djawadi pretty much scores everything these days. He's fantastic and I love his use of cello. Reminds me a lot of the cello in Dark Souls/Bloodborne/Sekiro, which is burned into my memories.

Ever. Y. Thing.

Pacific Rim, GoT, the Strain, Westworld...

[Rinel]

I honestly think Djawadi is even better in Westworld than in GoT (in fairness, I think Westworld is a better show). But his work is singlehandedly carrying scenes in GoT that would otherwise fall flat. "Light of the Seven" in particular is just beyond belief.

[Kestrel]

Wow last episode was so fucking bad.

And I legit don't think I've ever said a GoT episode was bad before, but ... ‍️

***=This feels like fanfiction.***

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Did the writers just forget all of their characters' entire histories all of a sudden?

I can't tell if some of the choices they made last episode were for the sake of pointless drama, because maybe somehow they think there isn't enough to hold viewers' interest in this world of magic and monsters and dragons that they need to add shitty sexist bitchfights or whatever, or if they have legitimately lost the plot. But I mean, with only two episodes left to go, it seems like they'd have need for every scene they can get to squeeze in all the last storylines ... so tf are they doing?

1. OK let's start with this whole Sansa vs. Daenerys nonsense. Last season Sansa was a bonafide badass. She learned from all of her enemies, all of her mistakes, and finally grew into her own to rise above the schemers.
   This season she has turned into one. She's starting to act like Cersei, with this whole random unjustified hatred of Daenerys, which reminds me a lot of how Cersei treated Margaery. Cersei vs. Margaery made sense, though; Cersei has always been, in her own brother's words, "a hateful woman". The pettiness was part of her character from the start, in the books and show, and was never portrayed as something to be admired. Sansa should be better than that, though; she's outgrown her bratty "I want to marry a prince and wear pretty dresses" phase. I don't hate Sansa for this season's corruption of her character, however, because I don't think this is Sansa. It's out of character for her; it's just bad writing. It's like someone picked her up off the roster and started ruining her. I guess they felt like they just needed to pit these two boss bitches against each other to add some intrigue? They couldn't possibly support each other, look up to each other's success, and bond over their shared love of Jon? The only way this could be more insulting is if they were fighting over a man. It's just so stupid.

2. Bronn. I didn't buy that scene with him at all. I laughed all the way through it because it was funny — Jerome Flynn is a terrific actor and has witty lines to work with. But in terms of story? It made no sense. He may be a cutthroat and a sellsword, but he's had real character growth and shared experiences bonding with the Lannister brothers. I don't buy for a second that he would so gladly take Cersei up on her offer. When Qyburn handed him the crossbow, I felt certain there was going to be more to the story than just Bronn shrugging, throwing seasons of character development out the window, and saying sure. I thought perhaps it'd end up in Arya/Sansa/Jaime's hands and be used to kill Cersei, or something equally poetic. Bronn may be a greedy SOB, and he may never have let on that he had more to him than that, but I always felt that his friendship with the Lannister boys, especially Tyrion, was genuine.

3. Finally, Daenerys. This one annoys me more than the rest because it feels like a sad reflection of reality. The minute a woman becomes "too successful", in a story or in life, both the fanbase and now the show itself turn against her.
   Look, if you want to hate Dany for burning the Tarlys alive, we'll agree to disagree — I think her choice was fair — but I'll respect your opinion. She did do that so it's a valid reason to hate her. But this whole nonsense now with Varys worrying about her "state of mind", Sansa hating her for no reason ... ex-fucking-scuse me? And then, as is the case with Sansa and Bronn, it feels like the writers are forgetting the entire foundation of the character they're writing for.
   Daenerys is smart. She has repeatedly proven she has a good head for military strategy, and she masterminds brilliant, cunning plans that no one sees coming because they underestimate her. For example: when she burned the Khals in Vaes Dothrak; when she agreed to trade her dragon for an Unsullied army, against her advisors (rightful) pleas that this was a terrible idea, only to then reveal her play by having that dragon burn the buyer alive and instructing the slaves to kill the masters — revealing that she could speak Valyrian all along.
   So unless she's still lying to her advisors about her plans, which would make no sense as she has no reason to right now, I don't understand what she's doing in King's Landing right now. This choice completely flies in the face of all the choices she has made before, repeatedly refusing to compromise her ideals and finding better, cleverer ways to win wars with more strategic strikes against the deserving rather than the innocents.
   Her plan now is to ... "burn them all"? Really? That's not the Daenerys anyone has come to know and love. She has never been a brute force fighter. Even when she burned the Tarlys, she was killing two people who quite literally asked for it, after being offered a way out and stupidly refusing, to make everyone under their command surrender and then allowing them to leave unharmed.

At this point none of the characters on the screen feel authentic any more and I feel like I may as well be watching bad fanfiction from someone who's writing for these characters because they like their aesthetic but doesn't actually know their background.

WAIT. I FORGOT ONE.

4. Jon. Jon would never actually give Ghost up. He has been a good boi since the day they met. That's a joke.

[Arkandel]

***=One argument against your last point there. I think there may be more than we know - remember a certain dialogue which was cut short after which people went their own ways.***

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@Kestrel said in Game of Thrones:

4. Jon. Jon would never actually give Ghost up. He has been a good boi since the day they met. That's a joke.

I don't think Jon thinks he's coming back; as it was pointed out, male Starks don't do very well at King's Landing. It would explain all the goodbyes as well as why Arya left on her own as well after their pow-wow.

He didn't give his puppy away - he thinks Ghost will need a new home once he's gone.

[Wretched]

@Arkandel ***=NSFW content***

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THEN HE SHOULD HAVE PET AND HUGGED THE POOR FUCKING PUPPY

[brent]

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[Arkandel]

I've long now had a theory by the way - which isn't a spoiler since I have no insider info or anything - which I'm now 90% sure is about to come true. For that I'll put it behind a spoiler tag.

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I think next episode the sky will fill with dragons. There were eggs somewhere, and they've been hatching. One of Dany's children is female.

[Ifrit]

I have a theory about how all of this is going to end I but I need to fill in some words here
***=THEORY THEORY THEORY***

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Cersei sits on the Iron Throne. Jon and Dany break in. Battle! Everyone about to kill everyone.

"Freeze all motor functions"

Segue into Season 3 of Westworld.

Turns out Westerosworld got forgotten about and the hosts have just been doing their own thing for years.

[tek]

@Arkandel

***I've had a similar thought***

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Maybe that's why Drogon fucked off for a while in season 5

[surreality]

@tek

[Arkandel]

@tek

***=It would also explain the actions of a certain character in Episode 3...***

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Bran wasn't just watching tree-TV while everyone else was getting slaughtered around him. He was warging into dragons, getting them over to where they need to be.