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Superman & Lois episode 1 was fun. It was by far the most human version of the characters I've seen; I cared much more about the Clark family drama than I did about the super heroic antics, which is probably a pretty good sign.
It certainly wasn't what I expected, although that might be because I hadn't been watching their guest star appearances throughout the Arrowverse.
- He who takes offense when not intended is a fool. He who takes offense when intended is a greater fool.
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Superman & Lois episode 1 was fun. It was by far the most human version of the characters I've seen; I cared much more about the Clark family drama than I did about the super heroic antics, which is probably a pretty good sign.
It certainly wasn't what I expected, although that might be because I hadn't been watching their guest star appearances throughout the Arrowverse.
I really liked it, too. It was a bit overly melodramatic but that was definitely to be expected and I am glad they are doing something that hasn't been done with Superman before (actually exploring a future with a family).
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I'll look into it.
I'm still reeling from the awesomeness of She-Ra, though. And as I said in another thread, it's fun to see other people getting into it.
As far as I'm concerned, it still seems to be the best show that no one's watching, and if it doesn't pick up an Emmy this year I am throwing a table.
“It is better to live doing the things that you like. It is foolish to live within this dream of a world seeing unpleasantness and doing only things that you do not like.” -- Yamamoto Tsunetomo.
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@ganymede I just watched it all! I have simultaneous Scorpia and Entrapta crushes.
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Hooray NB and autism representation!
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I really liked it, too. It was a bit overly melodramatic but that was definitely to be expected and I am glad they are doing something that hasn't been done with Superman before (actually exploring a future with a family).
The other thing is... I don't know if it's because they had more money to spend on the pilot but the special effects were pretty decent.
Superman's suit in particular looked great. His cape may be CGI, I can't even tell.
- He who takes offense when not intended is a fool. He who takes offense when intended is a greater fool.
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I really liked it, too. It was a bit overly melodramatic but that was definitely to be expected and I am glad they are doing something that hasn't been done with Superman before (actually exploring a future with a family).
The other thing is... I don't know if it's because they had more money to spend on the pilot but the special effects were pretty decent.
Superman's suit in particular looked great. His cape may be CGI, I can't even tell.
I am honestly never terribly worried about the special effects in these shows. Mostly because, even if they are perfect, in five years if I look back at them, they will not be.
Also, his suit was okay. You can def see the padding. XD
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I am cautiously optimistic.
Netflix's series clearly conflicts with this. I am curious to know how they managed the IP issues. It's good to see the original creators involved, but having watched the series again I feel it is getting dated already.
I am cautiously optimistic.
“It is better to live doing the things that you like. It is foolish to live within this dream of a world seeing unpleasantness and doing only things that you do not like.” -- Yamamoto Tsunetomo.
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@ganymede I imagine the IP divide is that Netflix bought the live-action rights, but Nick retained animation rights.
I'm fairly optimistic, too. Honestly it looks from the outside like Bryke left the Netflix project pretty unhappy and Nick has decided to make some serious commitment to allow them to create new Avatar content. I was excited about the Netflix show, but significantly less so after Bryke's departure.
I can't agree that the show is feeling dated; I did a rewatch of both Avatar and Korra just a couple months ago and they were just as awesome as I remembered. There are a lot of aspects I actually appreciate more now that I'm older than I did the first time I watched in my early 20s.
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I won't argue with the quality of the work. I watched both series to completion recently. Granted, I did that after I watched She-Ra. We could probably run around and point fingers at each other regarding which series is better, but I'm content with how things are.
I still remain cautiously optimistic. I think the Avatar fanbase is sort of like the Star Wars fanbase in many ways, so I'm worried that if the creators continue to push the envelope they will get rightfully or wrongfully get pushback if they "change" anything. But I think they have to in order to catch up with how transgressive animated series are getting.
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I am glad they are doing something that hasn't been done with Superman before (actually exploring a future with a family).
I have not seen the show in question, but didn't they do this in Superman Returns?
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I am glad they are doing something that hasn't been done with Superman before (actually exploring a future with a family).
I have not seen the show in question, but didn't they do this in Superman Returns?
He discovers Lois's 10-12 year-old son is his son in Superman Returns.
In Superman & Lois they have teenage twins they have raised together. Just a tiny bit of a technical difference.
"Excuse the hell out of you. He's a bag of dicks. I'm a carefully curated box of cocks." -- to @GirlCalledBlu upon being misrepresented.
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In Superman & Lois they have teenage twins they have raised together. Just a tiny bit of a technical difference.
Which was also hilarious because... those kids must be as blind as their mom, it must be a genetic thing, since they didn't realize his secret identity either.
What the hell, they had never seen Clark without glasses on their whole lives?
- He who takes offense when not intended is a fool. He who takes offense when intended is a greater fool.
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She-Ra was better.
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In Superman & Lois they have teenage twins they have raised together. Just a tiny bit of a technical difference.
Which was also hilarious because... those kids must be as blind as their mom, it must be a genetic thing, since they didn't realize his secret identity either.
What the hell, they had never seen Clark without glasses on their whole lives?
Look man, if you're gonna watch Superman -- ANY Superman -- and not be able to suspend that particular bit of disbelief, you're gonna have a bad time. XD
Also, there are studies that show some people's faces change SO MUCH with/without glasses/bangs/whatever.
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What the hell, they had never seen Clark without glasses on their whole lives?
I haven't seen the TV show, so I don't know if this applies, but in most Superman stories, it's not the glasses. Clark stands differently, talks differently, acts differently. They just don't look like the same person through pure body language. My favorite scene in the 1978 movie is just after Superman's date with Lois when Clark is about to confess, then turns back and collapses back into Clark, slouching into a servile posture, picking up a nervous stammer in his voice, never looking Lois in the eye; all done in a single camera shot so it all rides on Christopher Reeves's acting. Fantastic scene, and it's my permanent canon as to why people don't recognize the extremely recognizable guy.
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@greenflashlight said in Good TV:
What the hell, they had never seen Clark without glasses on their whole lives?
I haven't seen the TV show, so I don't know if this applies, but in most Superman stories, it's not the glasses. Clark stands differently, talks differently, acts differently. They just don't look like the same person through pure body language. My favorite scene in the 1978 movie is just after Superman's date with Lois when Clark is about to confess, then turns back and collapses back into Clark, slouching into a servile posture, picking up a nervous stammer in his voice, never looking Lois in the eye; all done in a single camera shot so it all rides on Christopher Reeves's acting. Fantastic scene, and it's my permanent canon as to why people don't recognize the extremely recognizable guy.
Absolutely agree.
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@greenflashlight So, sadly, this is never really portrayed in any of the shows. Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman, Smallville, even the animated Superman... their posture, tone of voice, body language, even the way they walk... never changes between Clark Kent & Superman. At most you will see Clark Kent acting slightly more bewildered than Superman. So really, they've done a terrible job of portraying Clark Kent across every show, movie, and cartoon since 1978. Christopher Reeves is the ONLY true Superman specifically because he's the ONLY one to showcase the difference between Clark and Superman. If you ever watch Batman: TAS or Superman: TAS or even Justice League... anytime you see Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent in the same room, Clark damn near alpha-challenges Bruce every time. Like they full-on mangrip handshake and glare at one another, often with Clark scowling as if he's two seconds away from laser-gazing Bruce right out of existence. Its... pretty ridiculous. Which is why there is now the constant 'how tf do people not SEE that this is just Superman in glasses and a cheap suit?!'.
