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@Tyche They did the math on reddit (as they do) and it apparently checks out.
But really, George Martin himself in the context of the books said the exact reason he's not giving time frames in the novels is so people won't worry about the logistics, and just enjoy the story.
Are there plot holes? Sure. Is it entertaining? Damn right.
More like damn wight, eh, eh?
I'm a rodeo clown.
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@tragedyjones Get out.
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@tragedyjones said in Good TV:
@Tyche They did the math on reddit (as they do) and it apparently checks out.
But really, George Martin himself in the context of the books said the exact reason he's not giving time frames in the novels is so people won't worry about the logistics, and just enjoy the story.
Are there plot holes? Sure. Is it entertaining? Damn right.
More like damn wight, eh, eh?
There's snow telling. It would be ice to find out, though.
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Anyone with some general thoughts on S1 The Defenders? Trying to decide if I want to binge it or not.
I struggled with it and ultimately don't think I liked it very much. Definitely not as impressive as all the solo series have been so far IMHO...but then, I gave Iron Fist a hard pass after a couple of episodes and thought the Elektra arc was the weakest part of Daredevil S2, so these two things being Defender's focus was a pretty big turn-off for me.
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@Wizz
I see the first season as done in 3 acts. The first act I enjoyed, that would be to me, episodes 1-3. The second act would be eps 4&5 and I found that to be the best part. And the third act just...deflated the buildup. In the end, Weaver was a great casting choice for a weakly written character who was just not well used. While I did not mind the Elektra thing in the 3rd act, I thought they would have just been better off then making her the focus from the outset. So the series is not horrible but I might give a S2 a pass.I will add, that I think that JJ was better written in these episodes all around than she did in her flagship season. And Ritter's acting felt less...trying too hard.
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BUT MUH REALISM! BUT MUH CALCULATIONS! BUT MUH MINUTIAE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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@Jaded
Agree. I really enjoyed the first few episodes but I thought the finale especially was just weak as hell. I am also not at all ashamed to admit that I thought the Hand was completely wasted. Their motivations, structure, and end goal wound up just being bizarre and confusing, and they were basically not a threat at all.JJ and Cage were basically the only redeeming parts of the season for me!
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@Wizz I was able to guess what the Hand was after in Episode 5. So yes, they were wasted. Or at least the 5 Fingers were wasted.
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I really enjoyed this week's episode of Rick and Morty. This "redemption of Jerry" arc could be very interesting, and they're doing a decent job at the characterization.
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In the Defenders did anyone else think the Hand's end game super-soldier - the Black Sky, who we get very little information about - wasn't that impressive?
Elektra is deadly but she wasn't overpowered at all. We saw several characters hold their own (Danny punches her through a wall through the opening scene), and I kept getting the impression that without extensive plot armor Luke Cage could solo her - hell, he might have soloed most of the Hand.
These dudes aren't going to take over the world.
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In the Defenders did anyone else think the Hand's end game super-soldier - the Black Sky, who we get very little information about - wasn't that impressive?
Elektra is deadly but she wasn't overpowered at all. We saw several characters hold their own (Danny punches her through a wall through the opening scene), and I kept getting the impression that without extensive plot armor Luke Cage could solo her - hell, he might have soloed most of the Hand.
These dudes aren't going to take over the world.
Well,
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the Hand already took over the world, inasmuch as they ever would. Their plans for New York were more in order for them to MAINTAIN the control they had, by burning the city to the ground in order to get what they were after.
I feel like Elektra suffered from Conservation of Ninjitsu a LOT. If she was alone against all four Defenders, she could 1v4 them, but the minute she had some backup, one of them was a match for her. However, she drop-kicked Luke several times, so I think her powers are similar to that of Danny's, but less overt--like, she can hit like a mack truck (thus hurting Luke), but not ALL THE TIME, just concentrated hits. It's not developed enough, frankly.
I would have seriously preferred if they had delved into her being like, a vessel for The Beast, so that we could have a Shadowland arc in the future.
"Excuse the hell out of you. He's a bag of dicks. I'm a carefully curated box of cocks." -- to @GirlCalledBlu upon being misrepresented.
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@Coin I also don't love we saw Stone for like five seconds back in DD season 1, then never again.
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So if the Chaste are actually all dead (assuming we take Stick's word for that) then I guess they introduced the guy real quick then killed him off screen, which is just awesome.
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@Coin I also don't love we saw Stone for like five seconds back in DD season 1, then never again.
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So if the Chaste are actually all dead (assuming we take Stick's word for that) then I guess they introduced the guy real quick then killed him off screen, which is just awesome.
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Man, I don't even remember Stone.
But basically I think they dropped the ball with the Hand becuase the Hand is SO MUCH MORE INTERESTING and they could do SO MUCH MORE with it.
At least Gao survived.
Weaver's character was ... underwhelming because for all they all said they feared/respected her, she never put forth enough actual power. I would have liked to see her kicking a little ass, myself.
The unlikelihood that we will get an iron Fist 2 means that he'll probably crop up in other shows (Luke Cage and Daredevil, probably) and in the next Defenders. Which means we can probably expect Joy Meachum and Davos in the next Defenders show.
"Excuse the hell out of you. He's a bag of dicks. I'm a carefully curated box of cocks." -- to @GirlCalledBlu upon being misrepresented.
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@Coin I also don't love we saw Stone for like five seconds back in DD season 1, then never again.
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So if the Chaste are actually all dead (assuming we take Stick's word for that) then I guess they introduced the guy real quick then killed him off screen, which is just awesome.
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Man, I don't even remember Stone.
But basically I think they dropped the ball with the Hand becuase the Hand is SO MUCH MORE INTERESTING and they could do SO MUCH MORE with it.
At least Gao survived.
Weaver's character was ... underwhelming because for all they all said they feared/respected her, she never put forth enough actual power. I would have liked to see her kicking a little ass, myself.
The unlikelihood that we will get an iron Fist 2 means that he'll probably crop up in other shows (Luke Cage and Daredevil, probably) and in the next Defenders. Which means we can probably expect Joy Meachum and Davos in the next Defenders show.
The fact two of the Hand's 5 actors aren't too young (as much as it saddens me to think about it, Weaver is now what, in her 50s or 60s, and Gao's actress is probably up there unless a lot of it was makeup) means they could only do so much when it came to them being part of fighting choreography. They could have at least given Alexandra some more telekinisis or something though.
Speaking of which... Daredevil season 1's choreography was just goddamn incredible for TV. I still remember those amazing long fighting sequences (minutes long) was just revolutionary for TV... but now they've gone back to much simpler quickly edited cuts where sometimes I can barely tell wtf is going on.
That's a shame for most shows but for Iron Fist... if I can't expect amazing fighting from a martial arts superhero then they better deliver in some other superb way, which... yeah, they didn't.
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@Coin I am still hoping for another Jessica Jones. I suspect that's even less likely than more Iron Fist, though.
Oh fucking well.
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the Hand already took over the world, inasmuch as they ever would. Their plans for New York were more in order for them to MAINTAIN the control they had, by burning the city to the ground in order to get what they were after.
Good thing they weren't the Foot.
Although, I think I've heard this plot before, about burning a place named "Gotham" to the ground.
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@surreality said in Good TV:
@Coin I am still hoping for another Jessica Jones. I suspect that's even less likely than more Iron Fist, though.
Pretty sure Jessica Jones was already flagged for renewal a while ago.
@Coin I also don't love we saw Stone for like five seconds back in DD season 1, then never again.
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So if the Chaste are actually all dead (assuming we take Stick's word for that) then I guess they introduced the guy real quick then killed him off screen, which is just awesome.
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Man, I don't even remember Stone.
But basically I think they dropped the ball with the Hand becuase the Hand is SO MUCH MORE INTERESTING and they could do SO MUCH MORE with it.
At least Gao survived.
Weaver's character was ... underwhelming because for all they all said they feared/respected her, she never put forth enough actual power. I would have liked to see her kicking a little ass, myself.
The unlikelihood that we will get an iron Fist 2 means that he'll probably crop up in other shows (Luke Cage and Daredevil, probably) and in the next Defenders. Which means we can probably expect Joy Meachum and Davos in the next Defenders show.
The fact two of the Hand's 5 actors aren't too young (as much as it saddens me to think about it, Weaver is now what, in her 50s or 60s, and Gao's actress is probably up there unless a lot of it was makeup) means they could only do so much when it came to them being part of fighting choreography. They could have at least given Alexandra some more telekinisis or something though.
Speaking of which... Daredevil season 1's choreography was just goddamn incredible for TV. I still remember those amazing long fighting sequences (minutes long) was just revolutionary for TV... but now they've gone back to much simpler quickly edited cuts where sometimes I can barely tell wtf is going on.
That's a shame for most shows but for Iron Fist... if I can't expect amazing fighting from a martial arts superhero then they better deliver in some other superb way, which... yeah, they didn't.
Yeah, but that's what body doubles are for.
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the Hand already took over the world, inasmuch as they ever would. Their plans for New York were more in order for them to MAINTAIN the control they had, by burning the city to the ground in order to get what they were after.
Good thing they weren't the Foot.
Although, I think I've heard this plot before, about burning a place named "Gotham" to the ground.
sigh
Yeaaaaaaah.
I noticed that too.
The parallels between the League of Shadows (Batman), the League of Assassins (Arrow) and now the Hand (Defenders) is like: guys, get a new gimmick, you're literally regurgitating this shit over and over across brands, come on now.
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@Coin @Ganymede Admittedly, this is more or less the same schtick we see on MU*s a lot -- it's more or less the equivalent of the 'end of the world' plot.
Oh fucking well.
