Jul 21, 2015, 2:08 AM
@BetterJudgment said:
By my memory, several bottles should have been finished by now.
Considering how much you've been drinking, I'm questioning your judgment.
Old Yeller
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Code a command that PW blocks a targeted player for a random number between 12 and 36 hours. Have it announce who has banned whom, and kick in 1-5 random hours later.
Variant 1: Only one player can be blocked at a time.
Variant 2: You can't be blocked again until everyone else has been blocked once.
Variant 3: If you block the last person other than yourself, you are also blocked with them.
Do not explain how it works.
If asked about it, explain that it is "working as intended."
Have it track who has banned whom and post that update once a week.
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Is the game an original theme/creation? If that's the case, the 'hand over the reins' advice is less viable -- even just practically speaking -- than it could be otherwise.
In this specific case: regardless of the above, there's obviously a problem. Wherever the 'truth' is in this situation -- I have no idea and won't pretend to know -- I don't know if I would call it something fixable. If the situation has degenerated far enough to have factionalized the game so dramatically in an OOC fashion, there's no 'win' here, and that's for any of the parties involved.
In the case of an original theme game especially, but more broadly, it may be a beneficial gesture to grant permission to the parties who can't come to an agreement to share the same space peaceably to recreate whatever aspects of the game they like elsewhere. While it shares conceptual space with 'hand over the reins', it isn't the same thing: if people want to keep going with their stories free from whatever they consider an oppressive influence, they're free to do that -- but they have to put the work in to do so.
Also, if there is a real problem here -- I don't know if there is and I'm not going to guess -- and there was evidence that was ignored for whatever reason, that is really not something that is OK. No amount of sticking your head in the sand will fix it, and I say that as someone who is pretty impressively avoidant and isn't super comfortable raising issues I think will be difficult, especially with friends or people I rely on for some reason. Avoiding it only lets those problems grow larger and mutate until they demand a resolution of some kind, after all.
Oh fucking well.
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@surreality said:
Also, if there is a real problem here -- I don't know if there is and I'm not going to guess -- and there was evidence that was ignored for whatever reason, that is really not something that is OK. No amount of sticking your head in the sand will fix it, and I say that as someone who is pretty impressively avoidant and isn't super comfortable raising issues I think will be difficult, especially with friends or people I rely on for some reason. Avoiding it only lets those problems grow larger and mutate until they demand a resolution of some kind, after all.
Shutting the place down sounds like a solution, if only for the game operator.
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@NOTuseless said:
@Faceless said:
@JaySherman I have a clear response to your original question after reading some of the replies to your inquiry. Close the doors, board them up, spray paint "DONT DEAD OPEN INSIDE" on them and walk away. If for no other reason than to watch @NOTuseless go absolutely loony. So please, I implore you, shut this game down.
Im sorry to disappoint you but I wont be going looney if she shuts the game down. I said my peace. She can do what she wants. Ive had enough of the sorry pieces of shit it seems the entire mush community is riddled with, the people on this thread clearly part of to the point I think Im sorry I even suggested she keeps the pace open. Its not worth it. So you guys go rattle on about something else now. Im done.
I think you expected something completely different when you thundered in here self-righteously.
To be clear, I don't particularly think you're entirely wrong (and I don't give enough of a fuck to argue the points I think you're wrong on) but if you were expecting some sort of sympathy and whatnot, this is the wrong place. Even in the Mildly Constructive board.
You may certainly get it. But it will never be because you went looking for it.
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One needn't go looney when they're already there, 'cause like, wow, goddamn.
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@icanbeyourmuse To be fair, JaySherman was looking for someone to take over administration/running of the game for several months now. Before this happened. So I think Notuseless was kind of counting on that.
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@surreality It's not an original creation; it's a theme based on a comic book (that also has cartoon media in its history).
Everything isn't all that it seems in this mess though, but the baseline is, some people who were banned from other games were banned for a reason. (Others were banned unjustly from one game, yes, I was one of them.) While I understand and appreciated JaySherman's willingness to let bygones be bygones (as far as people being banned from other games) and giving people another chance, I think there should have been a probationary period for such people. (Including myself, even though I was banned unjustly, because proving one's self is of utmost importance).
I'm spooning a Barrett .50 cal.! I could kill a building.
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@Shebakoby said:
I think there should have been a probationary period for such people.
Bullshit. This is always, always bullshit.
If you hire a creeper as a staffer, take responsibility. Fire them.
If you knowingly allow bad players onto your game, get rid of them. Ban them.
If you don't, admit your mistakes, and move on.
It's really that simple.
None of this has any relation to the question originally posted. If you're tired of running a game, stop running it. Your decision to do so is no one else's business. You do no one favors by flogging the dead beast until it crumbles.
“It is better to live doing the things that you like. It is foolish to live within this dream of a world seeing unpleasantness and doing only things that you do not like.” -- Yamamoto Tsunetomo.
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@Ganymede said:
@Shebakoby said:
I think there should have been a probationary period for such people.
Bullshit. This is always, always bullshit.
If you hire a creeper as a staffer, take responsibility. Fire them.
If you knowingly allow bad players onto your game, get rid of them. Ban them.
If you don't, admit your mistakes, and move on.
It's really that simple.
None of this has any relation to the question originally posted. If you're tired of running a game, stop running it. Your decision to do so is no one else's business. You do no one favors by flogging the dead beast until it crumbles.
I was talking about before any of that other stuff happened. (I'm doubtful about the whole "creeper" thing, because reasons I won't go into here, in any event, but that's not what I was talking about. As far as I know, the alleged "creeper" was never banned from anywhere, though I could be ignorant - but yeah, if he was provably guilty, he should have been dealt with).
The bottom line is when you accept banned players, you don't always know what the truth is regarding their situations. Sure, some are actually guilty of what they were accused. Some were not. There has to be a way to separate the wheat from the chaff while not being unfair to the wheat.
I'm spooning a Barrett .50 cal.! I could kill a building.
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@Shebakoby said:
The bottom line is when you accept banned players, you don't always know what the truth is regarding their situations. Sure, some are actually guilty of what they were accused. Some were not. There has to be a way to separate the wheat from the chaff while not being unfair to the wheat.
Banned players who were banned for legitimate reasons almost always reveal their colors on new games. You don't need a probationary period to identify them and deal with them.
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@Roz true enough, though I think it would be a courtesy, to put said players on notice. But yeah when all is said and done, when they do, the hammer has to come down.
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@Shebakoby said:
@surreality It's not an original creation; it's a theme based on a comic book (that also has cartoon media in its history).
...Is this one of those My Little Pony games? Please, please tell me it is.
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From the sound of it, it's probably one of the two TF games that draws from the IDW comics. -
Or a super hero game.
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By my memory, several bottles should have been finished by now.
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@BetterJudgment said:
By my memory, several bottles should have been finished by now.
Considering how much you've been drinking, I'm questioning your judgment.
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@Wizz said:
@Shebakoby said:
@surreality It's not an original creation; it's a theme based on a comic book (that also has cartoon media in its history).
...Is this one of those My Little Pony games? Please, please tell me it is.
I needed that laugh so much.
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@Wizz said:
@Shebakoby said:
@surreality It's not an original creation; it's a theme based on a comic book (that also has cartoon media in its history).
...Is this one of those My Little Pony games? Please, please tell me it is.
nope, not ponies. giant robots.
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Now there's a horrible part of my brain that is picturing transforming sparkly pink robots that turn into cute robot animals or random trinket-gadgets, like flashy rhinestone covered mobile phones or tamagotchi or furbies or ipods.
And then the very moment I finish typing that, my brain goes: Come now, there's doubtless an anime of that already, you silly woman.
Oh fucking well.
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