Safe Haven Harbor is seeking a few good players!

[Corruption]

@Faceless said:

It began as invite only. As time and I imagine enthusiasm has gone on, they're likely in search of new/fresh blood. Sure, it feels like you're being picked as a runner-up in the dating pool only after they were shot down by the person they have the hots for, but just deal with it. Play there or don't, a simple choice.

I'm going to go sulk in my corner since @Sunny turned me down. Friendzoned! MUSHzoned? Something!

[Usekh]

@Faceless Ayup it is.

[silentsophia]

@Faceless ... er. Okay kinda harsh there, brotato. I was just confused since people kept recommending it but recommending an invite only game seemed kinda pointless.

[Faceless]

@silentsophia Understand that my comment was meant more for humor than anything. Look at it this way: I didn't get an invite either! So I'm just as much a runner-up as the rest of you. Forever alone.

[Ganymede]

@Corruption said:

I'm going to go sulk in my corner since @Sunny turned me down. Friendzoned! MUSHzoned? Something!

Do you have a sense of self-awareness?

I thought that Safe Haven was set up as a response to the growing, obvious corruption on The Reach. And then I learned it was set up as a sandbox, with the people involved treating it like one. I'm okay with that.

Now that it is re-opening itself for new blood -- limited new blood -- when players express their opinion on the perceived and enforced exclusivity of the sandbox, we are presented with the same message as before, which is "come play with us." It's the same message as before, just cloaked in a way that can be construed as insulting to intelligence.

The difference in my mind between Fallcoast and Safe Haven is that Safe Haven is filled with dinosaurs. They still strike me as sandbox games that I'd rather not be involved with.

[Sunny]

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[Corruption]

@Ganymede said:

The difference in my mind between Fallcoast and Safe Haven is that Safe Haven is filled with dinosaurs. They still strike me as sandbox games that I'd rather not be involved with.

That's your right, absolutely. Bear in mind: I'm not a staffer. Anywhere, thankfully. I was just asked to toss up and ad to offer people a place to play Mage, Changeling and werewolf. Which I did.

It does require that potential players like a style where Events are set up and most RP is actually scheduled. There's no random bar rp.

This suits me, as I have a lot of RL going on.

I was serious about missing @Sunny tho. I always liked her, was even in her big TR playgroup while I was playing Reynard. So I'm sad she doesn't come pester Marcus or something. Her choice though.

Number of people I am 100% certain cannot access SHH: 4. That's it. Pretty much anyone else can get there and give it a go.

[Arkandel]

I liked SHH. In fact from all the games I've played in the nWoD so far it has the strongest metaplot as it's nearly impossible to ignore and turn into yet another generic western world city.

But, as I told Ruin before I stopped playing, it's also incredibly cliquish. Quite possibly that was a by-product of its creation - the 'us versus them' angle they took by splintering from TR - but it was off putting for me even though it didn't personally affect me that much. But the combination of it being invitation-only, the frantic hard campaigning for seats at the table in every sphere (must... be... Spring Queen!!) before the game was even a couple of weeks old and, above all other things, the reminders on public channels about how some people weren't welcome there rubbed me the wrong way.

I like the people, the setting, the policies... yet it somehow turned me off anyway. That's all I got.

[Tempest]

@Arkandel said:

the frantic hard campaigning for seats at the table in every sphere (must... be... Spring Queen!!) before the game was even a couple of weeks old

The longer I play WoD MU*s, the happier I am that there are games where the political positions either don't exist, or just aren't open to PCs. Such a huge source of drama.

[Misadventure]

I think that if I had to run a Changeling Sphere, I would make the Crown fall upon people unwanted. I would give them a list of questions that would give me an idea of how they would rule, and then all meetings etc would be offscreen.

The Wyrd is mean like that.

[Bobotron]

@Misadventure
And for the majority of the courts, that's HOW IT FUCKING WORKS anyway.

[Misadventure]

Yeah but you need an OOC plan to make sure the feel that there is an active Crown that has a little of the personality of the Crowned in it happens. And not burden that player with endless parties and things.

When I was young I heard a story that I haven't found again, where an unpopular King agrees to shake the hand of all his subjects, believing few will show up. They show up for so long that he knowingly dies from exhaustion. That's how I see the Crown on an OOC level. Every time.

[Miss Demeanor]

I still don't get WHY people want the position so much. Its mostly a lot of call center bullshit and endless goddamn meetings and scheduling of shit.

[Bobotron]

@Miss-Demeanor
Because it gives them a measure of control in-game that they may not have in any other manner, and as such fight tooth-and-nail for it? What it involves isn't the point; what it does for them, and how they feel about it, is.

[Ganymede]

@Tempest said:

The longer I play WoD MU*s, the happier I am that there are games where the political positions either don't exist, or just aren't open to PCs. Such a huge source of drama.

That's horseshit. I've seen the same bickering on BSG games.

Look, lots of people want to be Mary Sues or the bestest or some shit. WoD games are hardly an exception.

I will admit that I'm having a boatload of fun on a WoD game where politics must be played, but it's a game where there's shit to do with your political status. So, I may be biased, but that game shows me that it can be done right. Or, at least, not so badly that I want to pull my hair out.

[Three-Eyed Crow]

@Ganymede said:

@Tempest said:

The longer I play WoD MU*s, the happier I am that there are games where the political positions either don't exist, or just aren't open to PCs. Such a huge source of drama.

That's horseshit. I've seen the same bickering on BSG games.

Oh GOD yes. I spent way too much of my pretendy funtime life dealing with these fucks.

Any game with a hierarchy will have this, really. It becomes less an organizational tool, more a Shiny that it's very important for you to have. And for other people not to have, because it's less Shiny then. And yet, I do still think high-status/power PCs are very useful and very RP-energizing when they're done well. It's just hard, and it's apparently very easy to be a petty fuck.

[Tempest]

@Ganymede said:

That's horseshit. I've seen the same bickering on BSG games.

Look, lots of people want to be Mary Sues or the bestest or some shit. WoD games are hardly an exception.

I will admit that I'm having a boatload of fun on a WoD game where politics must be played, but it's a game where there's shit to do with your political status. So, I may be biased, but that game shows me that it can be done right. Or, at least, not so badly that I want to pull my hair out.

I will amend, less specifically WoD and more 'any game with a political structure'. If it's open to players it will spawn drama inevitably. Sometimes small, sure, but eventually not so small. I just used WoD since it's pretty much all I play atm, and damn near all there IS to play.

[silentsophia]

@Faceless Oh, it's all good. I know and sympathize with the feeling. It does feel kinda awkward to lurch on in after not being invited, but. I hadn't been terribly active in WoD circles for a couple of years.

[Arkandel]

What particularly bothered me at the time - and I expressed my dissatisfaction to staff - were two things.

• The blatant way it was happening. There was no subtlety involved, only entitlement; instant campaining to grab the seats, pleads on channels boasting their own worth, pushing hard for 'election' meetings - all while the game was brand new, while many players were still in CG or trying to figure out their characters. The shamelessness of that left a bad taste in my mouth even when I had nothing to do with that race myself (my character was a former Libertine, the last thing he pursued were positions).

• The complete lack of collaboration. When you want to be the Queen of Whatever by specifically trying to race everyone else to it you don't care about playing with others. You just care about 'winning' the game. And my specific problem with it was that staff didn't put a drastic stop stop to it - which essentially meant the worst people who could have gotten those positions ended up with them.

Those were bad signs. I was enjoying myself but once it was made clear this was being tolerated (and thus encouraged) I parted ways with the game.