Best posts made by Arkandel

@Ghost What bugged me is that this doctor... well okay, he had never used a computer before - fine. Had he never seen one anywhere? At a store, an airport, in a movie? Did he ever see anyone waving mice around in the air?

But anyway.

@bored Yeah. Human relationships are complicated and no matter how much we might want to stay mature at all times, stick everything into neat boxes to separate IC from OOC, communicate to avoid drama, makes up rules to keep things from getting out of line... sometimes they do.

It happens and those who get caught up in it are just... human. Sometimes the lines are super clear and it's easy to not cross them - that's when people get judgmental about others - but they aren't always like that. It's easy to look at drama when it's unfolding and go tsk-tsk about it or throw some popcorn memes around but the thing is... it can happen to almost everyone.

I only put Fallout: the table-top game here because I know one of you fools will be tempted enough to use it for a MU*.

@Tyche said in Firan Secrets:

It's the large number who admit to playing on Shangrila that's more shocking.

Why?

@Ghost said in RL Anger:

2. Since my kid is an EDGELORD, when I asked him "why didn't you just give him 30 for the cheap phone and tell him when he has the better phone, you'll give him the $70 then? Don't pay for promises in cash, kiddo." his response was (basically) WTF DAD YOU THINK I'M A FAILURE, U DONT GET IT, AUGH, BlackVeilBridesMyChemicalRomance!!!

Which of the two of you would teenage @Ghost have sided with?

Love that kid, with all my heart, but he can be so dumb.

When we were teens we all were. It sounds like your son was trying to buy street cred as much as a phone.

Worst case scenario here he spent $70 of your money to learn a life lesson, right?

To add to @Ghost's question - do you let your partner(s) know you're logging and do they need to grant permission before you share those logs with third parties?

@Meg said in RL Anger:

But I still think and will die on the hill that good people shouldn't do nothing. Understandable, yes. I am not saying @Arkandel is a bad person. But doing nothing is not good.

Edit to emphasize: I do think you are a good person, Ark, and respect you a lot.

Thanks! But I didn't take it the wrong way.

If I thought there was something to do something about I would have. But I didn't know it was the case (and still don't). It's not privilege that stopped me, as far as I can be a judge of my own actions, it's that I didn't want to bitch some guy out over some sort of narrative I had made up in my own head if I was wrong.

Isn't that a form of privilege too? Writing a story where you get to be the hero when there is no one in need of help? I don't want to be that guy either, especially at someone else's expense who might not deserve it - assuming I misread the situation.

@Tinuviel Are you saying my original mention of TS involving the characters' own clones was deemed so vanilla within a few posts that the whole thing had to be taken to another level?

Stay classy, MSB.

Sometimes the barbell won't move. It'll stare at you and mock you and judge you.

And sometimes, even a week later, it will move with gusto.

Fuck you, barbell. I love you.

Alright, I'll get this thread back to its disgusting track by asking all the wrong questions!

Does the played-by (either your character's or someone else's) matter to you when it comes to TS at all? Does it influence how you play your PC or which characters they pursue or uh, how?

@Derp said in State of Things:

How much is too much?

Breaking the law they are sworn to uphold is too much.

I'm not saying it does happen, or to what extent (after all that's what I was asking) but the line here is pretty damn clear.

Okay, so while we're still on the topic of IC appearances in general (whether based on a specific PB or otherwise), if you're about to create new character(s) with another player - in other words they're kind of destined to be in a romantic/sexual relationship (*) - do you ask or provide input as to their looks?

(*) While we're at it, would you say you usually create characters more or less knowing in advance who their partner's player will be, or do you wing it once they hit the grid purely based on their RP?

@Derp said in State of Things:

Do you really think it's that simple, though? I mean, realistically, how many laws would you say you break every day? Speeding? Jaywalking? Perhaps littering? Do you always do everything you're legally required to do in a timely manner? Etc.

Well, it is that simple, yes.

For starters I don't carry a gun. The consequences of the worst laws I break are at best marginal. Shooting a guy who's no threat to me (or covering it up for my buddy who did) isn't remotely on the same level as jaywalking. I don't understand what argument you're trying to make there - those things aren't comparable.

For another I'm not explicitly sworn to uphold the law, nor does my failing to do so undermine my peers' efforts to do so. When cops are caught covering for each other there is doubt cast over the lot; it's a sometimes unfair but given the circumstances not entirely unreasonable response.

@magee101 said in TS - Danger zone:

@Arkandel said in TS - Danger zone:

Okay, so while we're still on the topic of IC appearances in general (whether based on a specific PB or otherwise), if you're about to create new character(s) with another player - in other words they're kind of destined to be in a romantic/sexual relationship (*) - do you ask or provide input as to their looks?

(*) While we're at it, would you say you usually create characters more or less knowing in advance who their partner's player will be, or do you wing it once they hit the grid purely based on their RP?

I've never had the opportunity to 'app in' with someone, sexual partner or no.

I used to always 'app in' since it helped guarantee there's no drama involved in RPing relationships with strangers but also as kind of... quality assurance. But mostly the drama thing.

@Derp said in State of Things:

Aren't they? You say that the consequences of the worst laws you break are marginal.

I still don't see what you're trying to say. A hint: Comparing needlessly killing someone with just about anything else will almost always get the same response from me: It's worse, yes. You mentioned jaywalking and littering, what did you expect me to say?

'No threat to them' is also very subjective. Studies have shown, time and again, that civilians placed in the same situation are often the most liable to shoot first. The trained officers tend to not shoot quite so easily.

I never said the blue code is a real thing - I asked. I'm an outsider, and most of what I know comes from movies and wikipedia articles. Nor am I saying cops in general are particular culprits, but the entire Black Lives Matter movement (at least partially) does, so that needs to be addressed as well.

I'm pretty sure the vast majority of police officers are perfectly good at their job, and probably no better or worse human beings than anyone who's not wearing a uniform. But yes, the bar is raised significantly higher for a person who carries a gun. It's just how it is, there's no getting around that.

Of course cops are human. I might cover for a buddy at work if he deletes a file by mistake, and I'd expect cops to do the same thing over somewhat minor things - if one scratches their police car while parking it and his partner backs him up by saying it happened while they were parked or something... that is fine. It's common behavior.

But the escalation here is where the paradigm completely shatters. If I fuck up in my job in the worst possible way then maybe data will be lost or there could be private information leaking - that's bad. But it's probably not "a guy got shot in the face"-level bad. And you better believe it if I figure out one of my peers is... I dunno, selling data I'll turn them in, no questions asked.

Folks, although the debate is still fine, please be careful lest it goes into that old cycle of judgment and victim-blaming that I'd rather it didn't.

@Ganymede Fair enough. I will also accept this counter-argument about cops vs everyone else; what they do is more dangerous than most professions.

To use my own paradigm from before, the worst thing that can happen to me is maybe if I fuck up changing the battery on a UPS it'll fall on my foot, or I'll delete something important and unrecoverable. It's pretty low risk to begin with and much of it can be proactively reduced with the right planning. A cop can die in a second no matter how they do their job.

It's reasonable to accept they get a great deal of leeway for how their job is conducted. Unlawful or not, protected by the constitution or not, grievance or not... if a police officer tells you to do something, you need to do it. Express your reservations and formally complain later, file charges, get the fucker fired if needed but dammit, do it.

How do y'all feel about officers being required to wear cameras while on duty? And being liable if they suddenly stop working at convenient times?

@bored Hm, I wonder if the problem is in the terminology then.

My idea of a PrP (and I'm not saying it's the correct one) is that it's a scene in which someone - who doesn't need to but could be staff - controls the NPCs and the environment, and everyone else is playing their PCs.

No benefit or inherent advantage is given in that context for participation.

@Ganymede said in RL Anger:

@WTFE said in RL Anger:

Does that mean you're going to shut up about "microaggressions" then?

I seriously don't know what that word means anymore.

We call them "posts" on MSB.

@bored said in TS - Danger zone:

TS. Not sex. I draw a line between 'sex for story' and 'spending 4 hours engaged in mutual erotic stimulation' and I did so in my earlier post. One is purely IC, one is not. A character can be seduced with a single roll in front of five other players, FTB'ed through, and you can be right back to stabbing goblins in five minutes. TS is another thing entirely.

Although I agree with the distinction itself, it doesn't really mean anything from an ethical point of view.

Whether my character received advantages from sleeping with the Prince or not has nothing to do with whether there was TS involved. Either way the IC bumping of uglies took place just the same.