Controversial posts made by ixokai

@Lithium said in The 100: The Mush:

@ixokai You are being awfully defensive. We as a whole on this board are very open about our feelings and perceptions in general.

Just because we disagree with you doesn't necessarily mean we are attacking you. We do have concerns, and we voice them, you don't. That's fine. The way you keep coming back to defend things is kind of odd all things considered.

Uh.. right. You coming back to express your concerns, that's normal. Me, though, I come back to express my experiences, that's odd.

You're not seeing the problem with that?

Seriously? XD

Man. There's a couple people being real verbose about how actively hostile everything is on this game and...

I don't really even have the words. Okay? Sorry? I mean, what?

Are these like serious, specific complaints about this specific game for real? Or are you channelling past experience and making a point?

Because, whoa. The level of constant malevolence and antagonism you're talking about is mystifying to me. I don't read ALL the logs, but I'm in all kinds of scenes and read many of them, and... what?

Whoa whoa whoa.

@Cobaltasaurus said in Angel's Legacy: Seeking Help!:

To be open and honest, however. I do not like being tossed back and forth, the way things have gone down. I feel like you're both going: "It's my way or I'll abandon you Cobalt!" Or worse: "I know Cobalt will do things my way."

Neither of those were intended at all.

I was speaking as a player. As a player, I am not interested in contributing to the type of thing @Chime seems to want to do. I'm not against her doing it, and if you like it, I'm not against you doing it. I don't care about the wiki very much: I wanna play a fucking Angel.

i can haz angel? u can haz ixokai.

That is a truism.

The kind of wiki @Chime seems to want, I just am not interested in. So, as a player, I would do whatever was absolutely required of me and ignore it otherwise, and then go play my character.

That's all I was saying.

I'm a person with her own thoughts and opinions.

Didn't even kinda think to suggest otherwise, however, I am also a person with my own thoughts and opinions, and all I expressed were exactly those things.

That said:

@ixokai said in Angel's Legacy: Seeking Help!:

Didn't even kinda think to suggest otherwise, however, I am also a person with my own thoughts and opinions, and all I expressed were exactly those things.

However one thing I did NOT like was the appearance of a site-admin pressuring on what you wanna do, so I offered an alternative. That's all. Take it, leave it. Your decision, I'm not invested either way.

(I don't begrudge a site admin deciding what he/she wants to host, but in today's climate, that shouldn't be a factor in your decision of what you want to run). There's plenty of options, some extremely good and free, so there's no obligation to go with any particular opinionated site admin if you decide otherwise. My 'hey I know someone else' was: if you decide otherwise, I know a guy. Not, 'pick me or we will fite'

@Cobaltasaurus said in Angel's Legacy: Seeking Help!:

Way before @Coin did it on Eldritch (and yes I'm a little bit salty that Eldritch gets hailed as the first MU* to do this), I had set standards on Darkwater for how wikis could look. Hell I even made it so Reno has a standard for how the wikipages were supposed to look (though this got tossed to the wayside somewhere along the way)-- having gotten disgusted with the mismash from HM. Even if I go with MediaWiki, pages will have standards and will be required to look like they match the rest of the wiki. I like the creativity of some pages. But I also prefer a clean wiki that doesn't give me whiplash when going from one page to the next.

See I got no problem with standards. Even on Eldritch, which had some of the hardest rules of conformity, (maybe unfairly said so), I made some significant changes on my character pages, including personal templates (includes, or whatever, I'm not gonna argue terminology here) and my page fit the theme and yet was distinct and original.

Its not an either/or: chaos or conformity. But it does take a willingness of staff to step in and say: no, you have gone too far.

@Chime said in Angel's Legacy: Seeking Help!:

@ixokai Thank you for so eloquently reminding me why I've largely left this community; we're looking to create different things entirely. I wish you (and probably @Cobaltasaurus) the best with that.

I don't know what to do with this remark. It feels like you're taking me not agreeing with what you want to do personally and that somehow I have given offense, and if so, I apologize. I was simply saying what interested me about wikis on mushes.

On mushes, I consider the wiki a multimedia creative alternate-path of expressing my character. Your vision seemed incompatible. Therefore, I'm just not interested in doing yours. That doesn't make yours wrong. It means I just don't want to do it. That's all.

@Arkandel said in Better Places Code:

@ixokai said in Better Places Code:

I'm still betting on: you can't make it better. You're reinventing rooms.

That's a brave statement! Can't is quite a thing to say - and how would it be proven either way? What's objectively better ?

And if reinventing rooms leads to a solution why is that a bad thing?

Sigh. Why do people not read the front stuff and only read the back stuff.

I'm still betting on: you can't make it better. You're reinventing rooms.

The front stuff was the important part.

Maybe I don't win the bet and am proven wrong. It happens, you know.

@Apu said in Flights 'n Tights MUX:

@MarsGrad

You're right. The ad itself didn't mention LGBT. It was @ixokai who did.

Yeah, I was saying, if they wanted to be a LGBT haven, I could get behind them. I find them being a dicks who like dicks "haven" ... extremely distasteful. I wasn't saying that they misrepresented themselves as a LGBT haven.

They were totally upfront. To be a PC there you need a penis: you may want more penises in your life, or be okay with just your own, as long as you're open to other people wanting more penises in their life.

It gives me the creeps.

@Chime said in Angel's Legacy: Seeking Help!:

I don't want to code html and css in my hobby, I'm annoyed enough I have to do it in my day job. I'm not entirely sure I agree with the idea of 'uniform' being a good thing. Having a nice default uniform look is good, but I really enjoy some of the creative stuff players have made out of their wikis.

MarkDown is a lot easier than html and a lot easier than MediaWiki.

Are you able to post to this forum? Congrats, you're using MarkDown.

Hi. I know what Markdown is.

I believe in there being a firm separation between content and presentation. Presentation is the responsibility of the game owner (@Cobaltasaurus and anyone she designates) and content is the responsibility of all the players, collectively.

Content here means words. If you must use a picture to define your character, you're doing it wrong. If you must use 120pt blinking bright magenta on lime green Comic Sans to express your character, a lot of us would rather you didn't.

Sorry. If this is your philosophy on a wiki, I have no interest in it at all. I hope any content that gets put on it is done in an automated fashion and pulls out of the mush because I'm not interested in contributing.

You have to show a lot of positive to make that seem worth-while.

No, I don't. I'm done with media wiki. Host it elsewhere.

Oh, that's your right.

@Cobaltasaurus I know a guy who hosts several games and is quite happy to host mediawiki and mush and... whatever else. Super reliable and helpful. Want his email address?

I'd be interested.

@TNP said in Angel's Legacy: Seeking Help!:

@ixokai said in Angel's Legacy: Seeking Help!:

Having a nice default uniform look is good, but I really enjoy some of the creative stuff players have made out of their wikis.

I don't. Half the time when someone gets 'creative' I can't even see half their page because it won't fit on my screen. A wiki is supposed to be a resource but few players alter their templates with other people viewing it in mind.

The thing is, if it is "merely" a resource, I don't think people will put much effort into it.

If it feels like work, I won't do it. I'll just throw up a picture and then ignore it forever after.

If, instead, the wiki is an alternate, parallel creative outlet, then between RP, while waiting for approval, during idle time, I might go play on the wiki and make my page more interesting.

Yes, some people go too far and make stuff inaccessible. That's when Staff steps in and says don't do that.

@Kestrel said in The 100: The Mush:

As a suggestion, be more sneaky. Have smaller meetings with fewer people, even if you make them public via +event with a participation cap. This would have been a perfect way to handle the Grounder prisoner thing, for example.

Then those who did not get as say are upset. This has already happened.

Yeah, giving everyone a say is a nightmare. But you don't have to give them an IC say

That's exactly what has caused rising discontent among many significant characters.

nor to elect official leaders to involve them. There's a group going to the Grounder village soon, for example. Why don't others sneak off to do the same even though they aren't part of the official 'delegation'? That sort of happened in the show, too, when trigger-happy Jasper and Bellamy tailed Octavia and Clarke to make sure they stayed safe while trying to meet with Anya on the bridge, then fired shots and ruined everything.

Note, there's nothing stopping anyone from going on their own despite the delegation. That doesn't change the fact that a lot of characters have expressed a preference for not just having a hand in selecting the delegation, but in respecting everyone's right to have a say.

Nothing binds anyone to this delegation vote. Its entirely possible someone will sneak off and ruin things. And possible they won't. That's up to individual IC action.

That said, taking things into their own hands is already something that's severely angering some characters.

Look at the crap Grey/Fiona/Faolan are getting for doing exactly that and releasing the grounders, and what I got for calling the ark.

I don't mind the crap-- they're consequences, and deserved ones. But as a direct result I now have multiple bitter enemies.

Is that fun? Sure! Hating Cassandra IC and having her hate Cam IC is kinda hilarious.(I loved the scene yesterday where she laid on him a 'takes one to know one' challenge with him insisting she's a sociopath) But many of characters want to unify and not just take things into their own hands. That's their characters IC desire (and its my characters, too! Even though he betrayed that ideal completely remorselessly).

A unity movement didn't happen on the show, but we aren't exactly following the show. We have our own characters and they are affecting how the story unveils based on the particular details of their desires, personalities, ambitions and execution.

@Chime said in Angel's Legacy: Seeking Help!:

@ixokai said in Angel's Legacy: Seeking Help!:

Man I hate you and everything you stand for. (Okay no I don't, really, but I do :))

Mediawiki's includes and tables and templates are a god-send for creative-wiki'ing and if you reduce my character's wiki to just some markdown text on a thing I'd just not bother contributing, as a player.

I'm still looking at alternative wiki technologies, as yes-- I understand the work-flow of game wiki use very well.

Markdown actually has tables already-- but they work best as tables, rather than a layout crutch. Arguably, that's a very very good thing.

So:

• Templates: These are a nice feature. MediaWiki templates are shitty. We can do better.

Never seen a wiki system do better, and I've looked, but not recently, admittedly. MediaWiki Templates are incredibly powerful. I don't care one way or the other about the syntax, its the functionality that is key.

• Tables: We have tables for tabular data. Tables for page-layout are wrong and should not work; we can use CSS'd div/span for that and it helps promote a cleaner, saner, more uniform look.

I don't want to code html and css in my hobby, I'm annoyed enough I have to do it in my day job. I'm not entirely sure I agree with the idea of 'uniform' being a good thing. Having a nice default uniform look is good, but I really enjoy some of the creative stuff players have made out of their wikis.

• Includes: These are purely a special case of templates, so we can ignore it if we have a working template system.

I disagree. Templates are, if anything, a special case of inclusion. With inclusion, for example, I can divide a page into several sub-components for easier editing and management, and then include them together into a final main page.

I really like doing that, especially when my wiki gets complicated.

More importantly, I can do this all on a per-page basis, instead of it being a site-wide thing.

Are you trying to do anything not addressed by that? I believe strongly in giving people the creative tools they need to further MUSHing as a modern, collaborative literary form.

I'm not really trying to do anything, I'm usually fairly idle as a wiki-er. But I really like some of the work others do. And like sharing and borrowing that and sometimes adding those bits to my page, sometimes improving them and changing them. Mediawiki is a very powerful platform. Its hard to go against it feature for feature and come away not looking weak.

Especially if you're now putting a burden on all the players of learning a new platform and how to bend it to their will. You have to show a lot of positive to make that seem worth-while.

@icanbeyourmuse said in Angel's Legacy: Seeking Help!:

@ixokai Everything has a Cultural difference. You could go to Texas and Las Vegas and you would have a world of difference in cultures. Same with British Columbia and Alberta. While still having similarities.

Eh.

Americans are exposed to the variety of Americanisms via television and other media.

Just saying. Every non-US mush I've ever been on has been filled with Americans or people being patently ridiculous.

@icanbeyourmuse said in Angel's Legacy: Seeking Help!:

How can you be Canadian Wrongly? I don't think my behavior is any different than an American and I have been Canadian all my life. Is there something I do differently than, say, Cobalt? (I think she is American)

I still don't know what PNW is.

Pacific North West.

If you think you, as Canadian, have no culture distinct from American culture then you're the first Canadian I've ever met who has thought that. But I'm not an expert on Canadian, that's sort of hte point.

@Chime said in Angel's Legacy: Seeking Help!:

@Cobaltasaurus said in Angel's Legacy: Seeking Help!:

• Wiki help: (I'm likely just to recycle my Darkwater box. So. Uh, wiki needs a complete overhaul/reset).

If you're talking about the dw instance I'm hosting, it might be a good time to just shut down that wiki and move to some other wiki provider? -- or, alternatively, different wiki software. I'm extremely keen on removing all PHP, and mw syntax is an abomination anyway.

If no one has any handy recommendations I might be able to throw together a quick quasi-wiki using markdown syntax, but surely there are things like that out there that are mature enough to take on mediawiki.

Man I hate you and everything you stand for. (Okay no I don't, really, but I do :))

Mediawiki's includes and tables and templates are a god-send for creative-wiki'ing and if you reduce my character's wiki to just some markdown text on a thing I'd just not bother contributing, as a player.

@Cobaltasaurus said in Angel's Legacy: Seeking Help!:

@icanbeyourmuse said in Angel's Legacy: Seeking Help!:

I'll build whatever you tell me to build. And I can do the vampire place. As long as I have indication to what I need to keep in mind for them I'll spit it out. I am inclined to say go with a small then expand if need be.

Going to tag in @ixokai

You have any thoughts or suggestions on a setting? Other than !PNW?

Honestly, anywhere else but PNW is my thoughts.

The problem with Canada is all your characters will be American or will be Canadian wrongly. I've never been on a game in a non-American place that didn't do that place's culture wrong (or just fill up with Americans).

I also don't like fictional cities because to me they just feel soulless.

Cities I think have a soul: (leaving out NYC and LA for what should be obvious reasons)

• San Francisco
• A supercharged Denver, Colorado (my angel wants a manse up on a snowy mountain what'd that be like!)
• Take the whole Lafayette<->New Orleans area and turn it into a conglomerated metropolis.
• Austin, Texas
• Pittsburg, Pennsylvania is so gonna be my setting for my Buffy game I'm never gonna get around to finishing, and I have what I think is a decent grid done with a +map-- its completely undesc'd, but I would donate the structure of the grid if you want. But, the City of Bridges, with some rad art deco stuff going on.

Come on, anything, anything but PNW again. Please.

I mean I'll play the fuck out of being an Angel in the PNW if I have to, but I'm just bored with it as a setting.