Posts made by ixokai

@thenomain said in Poll: Fantasy Earth 2.0:

@ixokai

What about the 20s bugs you? If it's the social dynamics, they're wiped out with the human race.

Fair point I had forgotten to consider. I have a knee-jerk reaction to historical settings.

@thenomain said in Poll: Fantasy Earth 2.0:

A lot of people prefer Modern over Noir for their D&D Earth. I'll be honest, I'm rather surprised; are people Noir'd out?

If you could translate the theme/feel of Noir to a modern timeperiod, that'd be one thing. For me, its the 1920's thing that bugs me.

@ixokai said in Potential Buffy Game:

@bad-at-lurking said in Potential Buffy Game:

All roads lead to Dayton.

Mostly because Ohio has really bad road signs.

That could be an interesting plot. There's a devil's trap that makes all roads lead to Dayton for anything supernatural

Refinement of plot idea: the REASON someone put a devils trap over Ohio to churn the supernatural to Dayton... is to effectively safeguard the hellmouth in Cleveland.

@bobotron said in DigitalOcean Mediawiki ShortURL:

@ixokai

-rw-r--r--. 1 elmerg elmerg 1623 Dec 8 2017 /var/www/v5game/public_html/mw/index.php

I was wondering if this is a permissions issue; on my wiki's apache (or www or whatever) usually owns the mediawiki installation. You see "elmerg elmerg"? That's the user and group that owns the directory. Its permissions are set to user = read/write, group=read, everyone else=read.

Which should be enough for apache to read and execute php as php from a browser isn't executed according to the +x permission.

My last shot in the dark is:

Do:

ls -la /var/www

To see who owns that, and:

sudo chown -R <user>:<group> /var/www/v5game

But I don't think it'll fix it. I have no idea what's going on

You might try digging around for the access and error logs in apache, unfortunately I don't know where they are in red hat os's.

@bobotron Try that again with "ls -la" instead of just "ls"

@bobotron said in DigitalOcean Mediawiki ShortURL:

@ixokai

https://justpaste.it/78j5y

I wonder if my SSL is messing with it? I wouldn't think so, but...

No, because that's not a site's ssl configuration (and in general, ssl and rewrite work together fine)

Aaand...

Just to be for sure safe, from the server can you:

ls /var/www/v5game/public_html/mw/index.php

and see a file?

@skew said in DigitalOcean Mediawiki ShortURL:

While I really don't have any idea how any of this works... I do notice that site/mw/index.php/article is not site/index.php/article, the latter obviously being what the "most common" mediawiki setup seems to be.

The index.php shortening is a hack, but works, but ew. No, /wiki is incredibly common.

Could be you need to go about this a very different way if you want to do site/wiki/article. More likely, you'll have success with site/mw/wiki/article?

Not that wouldn't work at all. @Bobotron is going about it the recommended and right way, its just not working (and I don't know why)

@bobotron said in DigitalOcean Mediawiki ShortURL:

@ixokai

Oh, my bad. Sorry, I thought the two different things I had posted about the setup might've been getting crossed. It's in the game.conf virtual host config file. I also tried the .htaccess version and it didn't work either. I know mod_rewrite is enabled, which was the first thing suggested to me.

Can you pastebin your site.conf? I can't think of anything else but looking at the whole config

@bad-at-lurking said in Potential Buffy Game:

All roads lead to Dayton.

Mostly because Ohio has really bad road signs.

That could be an interesting plot. There's a devil's trap that makes all roads lead to Dayton for anything supernatural

@bobotron said in DigitalOcean Mediawiki ShortURL:

@ixokai

Currently the wiki is stored in site.com/mw
The site loads as: site.com/mw/index.php/Article
The goal is to be: site.com/wiki/Artice

I don't know why you keep telling me this. I have known this since your first post.

I said I'm leaning towards stumped as to why you're getting a 404, not that you need to re-explain the information you've already given.

Are you configuring this in a .htaccess or in an apache config file?

@bobotron said in DigitalOcean Mediawiki ShortURL:

And I had read over that, and kept looking at it and it seemed to match what the redworks builder was giving me. Even going back in and making the directory /wiki/Article, it still doesn't work.

I'm confused, what do you mean 'making the directory /wiki/Article'? The whole point of this is those don't exist?

Otherwise, I'm leaning towards stumped

@bobotron Okay yeah the issue is you're not doing what the instructions are telling you to.

With the short urls, the "real" mediawiki lives in /w (/mw is fine), but everyone accesses it almost exclusively via /wiki -- which notably doesn't exist. Whenever Apache gets http://foo/wiki/Blah it rewrites it into a call to http://foo/w/index.php.

I refer you to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/Apache again:

You have:

RewriteRule ^/?mw/wiki(/.*)?$ %{DOCUMENT_ROOT}/mw/index.php [L]

What you need to have:

RewriteRule ^/?wiki(/.*)?$ %{DOCUMENT_ROOT}/mw/index.php [L]

You're combining 'mw' (actual installation) with 'wiki' (rewrite aliases) into one thing and its breaking.

In your LocalSettings.php, you want:

$wgScriptPath = "/mw";
$wgArticlePath = "/wiki/$1";

Now you have a lot of other rules that there about images that I'm not sure what they do, I don't use them and haven't ever seen them so I wonder where you're getting these rule-sets from when you say "it's" giving me?

@bobotron said in DigitalOcean Mediawiki ShortURL:

@ixokai

Nah, I'm using apache. httpd.

Oh, your first post mentioned nginx.

My wiki is site/mw/index.php/Article

I'm just trying to remove the /index.php/

I know what you're trying to do

What's your rewrite rules?

The reason I ask is because you don't remove index.php -- you map /wiki/foo to /mw/index.php/foo, that's how this short names work.

@bobotron Where is your actual wiki installation, the full path to the php?

EDIT: Oh wait, you said nginx. I don't know anything about setting it up for nginx.

This is apache config, doesn't really have anything to do with what distribution or host you have.

Have you seen: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/Apache

@blackdahlia said in TinyFuge:

So, I tried out Potato's linux version and didn't care for the fact that I had to leave a term window open for the entirety of using the program. It bugged me. It's also possible I was not opening it correctly.

I know for a fact this isn't actually required but I don't remember how I set up my linux box or if I had to do anything special to get a proper launcher. What distro do you use?

@bobotron said in Wikidot formatting?:

Otherwise, it seems to be funcitoning alright (I wouldn't mind having the edit buttons on the top, but I can live with them at the bottom.)

You can hide the default page options with css, I believe, then: http://www.wikidot.com/doc-wiki-syntax:buttons

@arkandel said in Potential Buffy Game:

@faraday Not that I never debated whether something is legit or not. Only what I think would be distinct and different than approaches we've seen before. I also clearly marked everything with an IMHO tag.

In other words the argument is that a Buffy MU* isn't carefully designed it will end up virtually indistinguishable from a WoD MU*. In my eyes that's a failure, but it doesn't make it illegitimate.

In no ways was I think anyone arguing this at all. Your 'in other words' conclusion is IMHO so completely unfounded its hard to refute beyond saying 'pffffftftftftft---' I've played Buffy games. There's no conceivable way to confuse one with a WOD MU*. Not for half a second.

You'd have to work your ass off and write a lot of theme completely disregarding Buffy history/story/tone/theme to end up with a game which made someone go: Oh this is just another WOD game, IMHO.

Lots of little responses....

@coin said in Potential Buffy Game:

Unisystem would lend itself really well to Teen Wolf, although honestly, that show's lore is such a fucking weird mess that making a system out of it would take some bullshit amount of work.

Yes, unisystem would fit Teen Wolf very well. Adding Teen Wolf werewolves into Buffy would not better make a Buffy game. That unisystem could do TW doesn't matter when we're talking about a game that's just not TW though, to me.

@arkandel said in Potential Buffy Game:

@ixokai said in Potential Buffy Game:

Oy, personally, nothing would kill my interest more quickly then turning it from a Buffy game into a generic urban fantasy game.

That's the thing though. What makes Buffy Buffy is a very specific blend of themes without which it is just a generic urban fantasy game. It needs the drama, the camp elements, and IMHO the teenage factor else what separates it from being a Hunter MU* is precious little.

In fact unless the game is carefully designed to specifically cater those tropes it would feel very generic.

It doesn't need the "teenage factor", it needs the "young adult factor" -- it grows out of teenage at a point and continues both in the last two seasons and in Angel without the "teenage factor" and continues to be itself. It does need a bit mix of serious and lighthearted, but it also has a remarkably consistent theme. While almost anything can happen in a Buffy game, why that happens is actually usually clear: the loner is a witch or makes a robot or turns invisible.

But a lot of that ties into the high school stuff which is not essential. Remember Angel.

@arkandel said in Potential Buffy Game:

@coin But I did watch Angel. Those are two very different shows, and they'd lead to (or should) different kinds of MU* altogether.

To me - and obviously YMMV - when we discuss a Buffy game we mean a Buffy one, and if not we need to make that clear.

Oy. To me when someone says they're making a Buffy game, its a Buffy/Angel game unless they explicitly say otherwise. If your tone is going up or down in age, it can still can cohabitate on one game.

@coin said in Potential Buffy Game:

@arkandel said in Potential Buffy Game:

@coin But I did watch Angel. Those are two very different shows, and they'd lead to (or should) different kinds of MU* altogether.

To me - and obviously YMMV - when we discuss a Buffy game we mean a Buffy one, and if not we need to make that clear.

The thing is, it's clear to pretty much everyone. so far I think you're the only one who's watched both shows and who thinks there needs to be a distinction.

I could be wrong, I guess? But while I do think they are different shows, I think their core is the same, which is why they can co-exist in a MU.

100x what @Coin says here.

@arkandel said in Potential Buffy Game:

I mean it's possible I'm alone in this, sure. But - again, IMHO - Angel is basically every WoD MUSH ever with maybe fewer politics; good guy monsters fighting the good fight with their friends who sometimes have powers, magic, etc of their own. It would be way harder to create something which stands out thematically so that its players would go "oh yeah, this totally feels different than that City by Night MU* I played a dozen times already".

I... don't even see where you're coming from with this. Gunn, Wesley, Fred, Cordelia, are 'good guy monsters'? There's one (or two) 'good guy' monsters (both of which are 'good guy monsters' in the Buffy series for years), otherwise its just another scooby team.

First of all I don't see this big distinction between the two. Angel's out of school and the tone goes a little more serious and dark, but not a lot. Angel's primary difference is the team is a little more formalized: the scoobies on Buffy are her friends, on Angel they're kinda employees, but since he's usually just employing any friend who can handle knowing anything.

The only serious difference between the two shows, to me, is that Buffy happens in high school and the main character makes a lot more jokes.

Buffy is not like that. It could turn generic very easily, mind you, especially if staff aren't careful about the direction it takes but it stands a fair chance of standing out, for better or worse. That's why I'm making the distinction.

Yeah to me the distinction you're making isn't actually real. What would make Buffy 'generic', to me, would be to allow anything under the sun without regard to the Buffyverse metaplot and setting.

Let's say a character is a werewolf, and they want to find out the source. They wanna run a plot, get a friend-witch and friend-watcher involved and do magic blood tests.

Generic Urban Fantasy: A million years ago the spirit of wolf was blah blah and this stole its essence and blah blah
Buffy Fantasy: In the time before time, the followers of the Lord Wolf would drink the blood of their lord to become his guards, and in time this would be passed on. Oh, when we say Wolf we do mean that guy who is one of the three founding partners that were the Wolf, Ram and Hart.)

Not a big difference. One though plays up that that Buffy has an actually coherent cosmology and setting and world. (One where, for example demon power is the source of the vast majority of things-- including Slayers themselves.)

@faraday said in Potential Buffy Game:

@arkandel said in Potential Buffy Game:

That's the thing though. What makes Buffy Buffy is a very specific blend of themes without which it is just a generic urban fantasy game.

Like @Coin said - what makes a show special is different to different people.

Agreed-- I think what I'm getting through all these million little replies is that how I experience Buffy (and especially Angel) and what factors make them distinct to me, are not what @Arkandel experiences.

@zombiegenesis said in Potential Buffy Game:

Minor update, I'm still looking to move forward with this I've just been doing research on some things and trying to find a good map to base the grid on. I've also had some people ask if I'll be allowing Highlander style immortals and I'm undecided. I tried that with the last Buffy game I ran and...it didn't go so well. But we'll see. Anyway, just wanted to let people know that this project is still in the works it's just progressing at a leisurely pace.

Oy, personally, nothing would kill my interest more quickly then turning it from a Buffy game into a generic urban fantasy game.

You can play almost any urban fantasy concept in Buffy if its got a bit of demon in it, but you start introducing other IP's into the game and it just muddies the whole theme of what the game is. If a couple people want to make a Half-Demon race who have Getting Medieval and some Can Only Kill By Beheading (forget this quality's name) and a couple things like that, and write the story that they are all descended from Agamoth the Betrayed, and as they kill their breathren they absorb more of Agamoth's essence so that one day they will be Agamoth Reborn?

That's a Buffy story. It totally fits in the shenanigans that demonic races get into in Buffy and how varied/weird they are.

The Highlander style Immortals just don't... fit if you're just expanding the universe to include them. Next someone will want Beacon Hills and Supernatural and and and. I love those shows and would play the hell out of either game but blurring them all together as if they were one theme that made sense in one world? Blah.

@wizz said in Deep Shadows - Shadowrun 5th Edition MUSH - Help Wanted:

@ixokai said in Deep Shadows - Shadowrun 5th Edition MUSH - Help Wanted:

@tragedyjones said in Deep Shadows - Shadowrun 5th Edition MUSH - Help Wanted:

@golgoth

Players are already expected to buy and/or download the book. Downloading chummer isn't the biggest hurdle, and it would make CG easier than self-coding it...right?

Doesn't this make a game 'for players who use windows only' then?

Uhh, what? I was pointing out they were talking about incorporating a windows-only app into the process of chargen and there are people who aren't on windows.

Nothing little finger smoking sinister.