Really happy with @Crawfish's great take on Preston. Each time I look at it I change between seeing the cat as happy and smiling, or seeing the cat as smug and self righteous. And that works rather well for Preston!

@Chet said in Vietnam War MUSH:

Furthermore, Martin Luther King Jr.'s affiliation with the anti-war movement, is commonly correlated with the loss of popularity the Civil Rights Movement experienced, often misconstrued in media duet o the influence of Jewish talent houses that seek to draw in voters via media ventures for payment of international trade deals overseas, as various broker (that's the middleman, the fixer acts on commission per deal exchequer arranged) dealers for international diplomacy, a necessary fixture of international commerce.

Not to say it's a particular conspiracy of one group, simply the placement of profit model among a specialization of community to offer financial profit, thereby being prolonging of the industry and culture's financial leverage point inside the talent "corridor", the means of influence.

I mean, what the actual fuck? Did you just go into a 'Jewish control' argument here? Because, it kind of looks like you went into a 'Jews control the media' argument there, alongside 'because Jews are good with money'.

On top of the general yikes of the idea, on top of the weird assumptions (That we would be sympathetic with the American side, or identify with it etc), this just looks awful. And it's all jumbled nonsense, so maybe you don't mean that - but gee, even getting close to that stuff you want to be crystal clear.

Apparently playlists are all the rage. So.

Preston, Archeron @ Arx
Uh, the second headwiz of the game (forget the bit name!), McCourt and some others including Rogers @ Beyond the Fire
Daniel/Cinereous Builder, Gadrus, Elias @ Firan
Brilon, Kolin, various others @ Harpers Tale
Book (not the creepy one, the British one), and some characters I forget @ SerenityMUSH
Lars Narson, Nar'lan, Jarnol and various others @ Various SW games (SW1, SW2:ANT, SWAoA) - seriously, I was probably a Bothan or something.
Pratchett, Jarnol, Mechap, Calron, Danek, M'rus and others @ WNOHGB

Man, there have been more at various times. I'm getting way too old when I can't remember them.

@L-B-Heuschkel said in Diversity Representation in MU*ing:

@Narson said in Diversity Representation in MU*ing:
but instead isolate 'Black History'

That is an argument I am not qualified to have on the simple basis of not being American. I have no very little idea of how this subject is handled in the US. Black History Month is definitely not a thing here.

I mean, I'm not American and have only been there twice - Black History Month is a thing in Britain, though with varying success when it comes to engagement. Though I was more referring to taught syllabus at various levels of education rather than cultural events like BHM.

Awareness is increasing of the presence of POCs in Europe before, well, 1970. Their presence was never denied here, though, until fairly recently -- which is, to me, what makes it a white supremacist agenda. Fiction, art, poetry, historical accounts from just a few generations ago all treat POCs as -- well, just part of the scenery. Yes, they existed. Sometimes they were referenced in funny or strange ways, like 9th century accounts calling black people 'bluemen'. But they were definitely there, and pretending otherwise is a new, and highly questionable agenda.

As I say, I think there is a difference between active and passive denial of the role of POC in our collective history here. It is very difficult to challenge an active claim of a mythologised 'White Europe' past when there is a passive perception of our history in that way. It means challenging it comes with a heavy lifting exercise of educating and challenging preconceptions along with correcting the fact itself. But, that's probably going a bit off topic of the subject of M** diversity!

I have literally no idea if I know @faraday or not - but having peeked at Ares, well. Anyone that is doing something to try to contribute positively to our little hobby corner of the internet should be valued and loved. We can all remember periods where parts of M**dom were starved of coders and things stagnated, I'm sure. Even if you think the direction they are going is wrong, then their work is stimulating thought and discussion on our hobby, and that equally should be respected and appreciated.

So kudos to Faraday.

@L-B-Heuschkel said in Diversity Representation in MU*ing:

@HelloProject said in Diversity Representation in MU*ing:

There are very few truly racially homogeneous places on Earth, and this isn't like some modern thing. People really have this fascination with medieval Europe being 100% white and anything to the contrary is SJW propaganda. Fuck actual history and art I guess lmao.

Amen, amen, and amen again, said the historian. POCs were definitely a thing in medieval Europe, and the only people claiming otherwise are white supremacists pushing an ideal all-white European age of glory that never existed.

I'm going to gently disagree in part - while I agree that actively promoting this is very much a far right white nationalist point, I actually think we have more ingrained and systemic problems with our history teaching that makes this a passive assumption that pervades our understanding of European history. The types of sources we use privilege white experience, often we don't teach racial aspects within survey courses/modules/components, but instead isolate 'Black History' or such to its own (often avoidable) sub component, and not seeing themselves within the history taught and for numerous other reasons we don't have a diverse engagement with history and related fields, and so history teachers and academics at all levels remain overwhelmingly white (and middle class)

@Deviante It's me! And I would have got to Arx sooner but HF was going to tell me when it opened, then I forgot and she forgot and so I got there in 2017. Otherwise pootling.

@deathbird I think Anthony might be still around...I have him on social media I think. La'Vash was good people.

Really happy with @Crawfish's great take on Preston. Each time I look at it I change between seeing the cat as happy and smiling, or seeing the cat as smug and self righteous. And that works rather well for Preston!

@deathbird I think Anthony might be still around...I have him on social media I think. La'Vash was good people.

@Chet said in Vietnam War MUSH:

Furthermore, Martin Luther King Jr.'s affiliation with the anti-war movement, is commonly correlated with the loss of popularity the Civil Rights Movement experienced, often misconstrued in media duet o the influence of Jewish talent houses that seek to draw in voters via media ventures for payment of international trade deals overseas, as various broker (that's the middleman, the fixer acts on commission per deal exchequer arranged) dealers for international diplomacy, a necessary fixture of international commerce.

Not to say it's a particular conspiracy of one group, simply the placement of profit model among a specialization of community to offer financial profit, thereby being prolonging of the industry and culture's financial leverage point inside the talent "corridor", the means of influence.

I mean, what the actual fuck? Did you just go into a 'Jewish control' argument here? Because, it kind of looks like you went into a 'Jews control the media' argument there, alongside 'because Jews are good with money'.

On top of the general yikes of the idea, on top of the weird assumptions (That we would be sympathetic with the American side, or identify with it etc), this just looks awful. And it's all jumbled nonsense, so maybe you don't mean that - but gee, even getting close to that stuff you want to be crystal clear.

@L-B-Heuschkel said in Diversity Representation in MU*ing:

@Narson said in Diversity Representation in MU*ing:
but instead isolate 'Black History'

That is an argument I am not qualified to have on the simple basis of not being American. I have no very little idea of how this subject is handled in the US. Black History Month is definitely not a thing here.

I mean, I'm not American and have only been there twice - Black History Month is a thing in Britain, though with varying success when it comes to engagement. Though I was more referring to taught syllabus at various levels of education rather than cultural events like BHM.

Awareness is increasing of the presence of POCs in Europe before, well, 1970. Their presence was never denied here, though, until fairly recently -- which is, to me, what makes it a white supremacist agenda. Fiction, art, poetry, historical accounts from just a few generations ago all treat POCs as -- well, just part of the scenery. Yes, they existed. Sometimes they were referenced in funny or strange ways, like 9th century accounts calling black people 'bluemen'. But they were definitely there, and pretending otherwise is a new, and highly questionable agenda.

As I say, I think there is a difference between active and passive denial of the role of POC in our collective history here. It is very difficult to challenge an active claim of a mythologised 'White Europe' past when there is a passive perception of our history in that way. It means challenging it comes with a heavy lifting exercise of educating and challenging preconceptions along with correcting the fact itself. But, that's probably going a bit off topic of the subject of M** diversity!

@L-B-Heuschkel said in Diversity Representation in MU*ing:

@HelloProject said in Diversity Representation in MU*ing:

There are very few truly racially homogeneous places on Earth, and this isn't like some modern thing. People really have this fascination with medieval Europe being 100% white and anything to the contrary is SJW propaganda. Fuck actual history and art I guess lmao.

Amen, amen, and amen again, said the historian. POCs were definitely a thing in medieval Europe, and the only people claiming otherwise are white supremacists pushing an ideal all-white European age of glory that never existed.

I'm going to gently disagree in part - while I agree that actively promoting this is very much a far right white nationalist point, I actually think we have more ingrained and systemic problems with our history teaching that makes this a passive assumption that pervades our understanding of European history. The types of sources we use privilege white experience, often we don't teach racial aspects within survey courses/modules/components, but instead isolate 'Black History' or such to its own (often avoidable) sub component, and not seeing themselves within the history taught and for numerous other reasons we don't have a diverse engagement with history and related fields, and so history teachers and academics at all levels remain overwhelmingly white (and middle class)

I have literally no idea if I know @faraday or not - but having peeked at Ares, well. Anyone that is doing something to try to contribute positively to our little hobby corner of the internet should be valued and loved. We can all remember periods where parts of M**dom were starved of coders and things stagnated, I'm sure. Even if you think the direction they are going is wrong, then their work is stimulating thought and discussion on our hobby, and that equally should be respected and appreciated.

So kudos to Faraday.

@Deviante It's me! And I would have got to Arx sooner but HF was going to tell me when it opened, then I forgot and she forgot and so I got there in 2017. Otherwise pootling.

Apparently playlists are all the rage. So.

Preston, Archeron @ Arx
Uh, the second headwiz of the game (forget the bit name!), McCourt and some others including Rogers @ Beyond the Fire
Daniel/Cinereous Builder, Gadrus, Elias @ Firan
Brilon, Kolin, various others @ Harpers Tale
Book (not the creepy one, the British one), and some characters I forget @ SerenityMUSH
Lars Narson, Nar'lan, Jarnol and various others @ Various SW games (SW1, SW2:ANT, SWAoA) - seriously, I was probably a Bothan or something.
Pratchett, Jarnol, Mechap, Calron, Danek, M'rus and others @ WNOHGB

Man, there have been more at various times. I'm getting way too old when I can't remember them.