Posts made by Prototart

@Derp said in MU*, Youth, and LGBT+ Identity:

@mietze said in MU*, Youth, and LGBT+ Identity:

More broadly, we do have this discussion pop up frequently around racism/homophobia in particular and "historic era" or "history era inspired" mushes too. That's an often uncomfortable one to negotiate too, but again eventually the staff or gamerunner are going to pick the parameters and they may be realistic in some ways but not in others, and the players are just going to have to deal with it or not play there.

I mean, this crops up in fantasy too. Dark Sun, for example. It's one of my favorite DnD campaign settings. Very low magic, very harsh conditions, very survival oriented Mad Max style.

Also, it has a shitload of slavery and genocide and persecution in general.

People tend to get their hackles up about that one. But you take those out and you're no longer playing Dark Sun, because those things are as integral to the setting as interpersonal conflict is to Mad Max.

Sometimes, you can't win 'em all.

i would wager the difference is that w Dark Sun you generally don't get an overwhelming feeling a games there bc someone wants to own slaves whereas there have been more than a few "historic setting" ones where "i can say the n word here!" should basically be the first news file

@Thenomain said in Getting Young Blood Into MU*'ing:

@Tinuviel said in Getting Young Blood Into MU*'ing:

Are we seriously debating the idea that there are assholes everywhere?

Well everywhere you are.

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Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

https://youtu.be/LG4hOjJ9tEs

@faraday said in Getting Young Blood Into MU*'ing:

@Bad-at-Lurking said in Getting Young Blood Into MU*'ing:

I wonder how many folks there are out there carving out their niche, at least moderately successful, that are basically just off this community's radar, largely.

Lots of people from those games you mentioned are here though. I see folks talking about how MSB is like... all WoD all the time or something, but there are plenty of non-WoD MUSHers participating. I think this community represents more of the MU community than folks think.

I haven't been on a wod game since I was maybe 19 and I have been not 19 for a distressing length of time

@Ganymede said in Getting Young Blood Into MU*'ing:

@Prototart said in Getting Young Blood Into MU*'ing:

And that's ignoring just, the usual social maladaptive shit that's so common on games that it's just taken for granted, the people who have no idea how to interact with anyone who isn't broken the same way they are and the way that geek social fallacies are like burned into the fabric of everything and not to be questioned

I’m going to say this in a non-repulsive way in response.

If you think you can avoid MUSH maladaptive behaviors in real life, you are either tremendously naive or stupidly optimistic. You might as well admit that you live in a box if you can honestly and introspectively believe that real life is any less dysfunctional.

it's a wildly different kind of maladaptive, it's one there's no financial incentive to put up with, and it's one that's so engrained and so tolerated that you get sneered at for even questioning it

to people who come from traditional geek milieus maybe a lot of it's shit that mostly goes unnoticed or they're just like completely inured to, but for people who don't it's this white hot flame that drives you slowly insane or sends you to the door,

i did not invite people from my church group or my whatever, my gender studies class, i invited people i work with. so i invited strippers, waitresses, bartenders, bouncers/security guys, go back like a billion years to when I had a social life and you can add a couple of people from the goth/fetish scene

literally nobody ever lasted longer than I think six months at the absolute longest

Once upon forever ago I'd try to get people I knew rl to play on games, wod & comic ones

the problem wasn't really code or whatever, the problem was that - tbh I have no idea how to say this in a non-insulting way:

Normal People find like 99% of MU Culture to be just totally repulsive

and for very good reasons; there are so few games left that people are willing to tolerate just insane levels of corruption and ineptitude and abuse bc "well there's not a better place and this one at least has players" and it just allows for ever worse shit to happen and honestly there's no bottom to the barrel it just goes down forever

And that's ignoring just, the usual social maladaptive shit that's so common on games that it's just taken for granted, the people who have no idea how to interact with anyone who isn't broken the same way they are and the way that geek social fallacies are like burned into the fabric of everything and not to be questioned

so i don't anymore & haven't for years

@fatefan
I've seriously considered it since Wild Storm finished but WS is a LOT harder to fit in, like, basically to the public it just was our world until Engineer turned up

https://pastebin.com/77f1vP3P

^ that's like idk 2/3rds? of it if anybody really wants to read a bunch of dumb fanfic world building whatever that me and @Phase-Face did

@fatefan said in Comic/Superhero Games:

If I were adding to a comic/superhero wishlist, I'd love to see a game that was willing to make (and let players make, through TPs) consequential changes to the world/game over time. It's difficult to care about the stakes of something when you know that the initial status quo must always be maintained--and I say that with the acknowledgment that a recognizable world is key to bringing in new players.

the intent w marvelstorm was like

basically it existed bc Secret Wars had started and nobody had realized it, there was an incursion before the Wakanda one & it was with Wildstorm Earth, and Void, Majestic and The Doctor managed to, like, hammer the universes together and only they knew it's happened at all

i had/somewhere have idk like, 20+ pages laying out how stuff fit together like SHIELD was just NATO & Stormwatch was UN formed bc SHIELD was overtly American Interests, I/O was a CIA workgroup that took over p much the entire domestic intelligence apparatus like in The Wild Storm, Kherans were like the alpha release for Eternals and the Celestials abandoned them but they still went around Cuckooing worlds, etc etc etc

but Secret Wars was still all happening and we wanted an Illuminati to form and like eventually we were gonna do a Battleworld thing and allow some, like, very highly curated don't-expect-yes-to-A-list other-media chars as Hyperion-like survivors of other universes and etc once people caught on

ps for the inevitable "why don't you make one then" i tried and it was v little red hen, like i asked everyone to help me make bread and they were just "oh wow i love bread hmu when it's done" but like little red hen doesn't have an oven so she just went to drink straight chartreuse and watch zombie movies in her underwear

@Macha said in Comic/Superhero Games:

@Runescryer So it's not the OC part you dislike, it's mashup, right? So you're looking for something more single universe flavor?

yeah people are always all bUt NoOnE lIkEs ThOsE but idk they used to have a hundred logins when the mashups had like 20, so ive never bought it i think they're just harder bc you can't just go "yah it's everything :3" as your theme

@Runescryer

i don't object to mashup on a like fundamental level just it usually becomes this confused boring mess of everything blended together w nothing that made the originals interesting

Like, i still like my marvel/wildstorm shit that will never be used

are there any comic places that are good

and not year one everything potpourri mashup where everything is flavorless and just a giant bland gray glop

and, like

also they have players

and the players do stuff w people they haven't known for a decade

(prob im asking too much i know)

@Selerik

oh dude i actually forgot all about that

so, basically there are some bones from a monastery ans they have damage indicative of advanced syphilis and they're people who died before the colombian exchange which means there was syphilis in europe before ~The Great Pox~

the theory with it i think is that the ~The Great Pox~ one was native to the Americas and different enough that Europeans had just zero resistance to it and so you got, you know, this insane contagiousness and rapid onset and uh, dudes faces falling off during the siege of paris and then eventually it settled down to just making guy de maupassant think flies were eating his brain

• the first documented syphilis epidemic in europe in 1494 was a strain so virulent that there are reports of people having huge chunks of skin fall off, including facial features

• there was a german colony in texas in 1842

• the most prolific documented serial killer in modern history is pedro lopez who murdered more than 300 little girls in peru and ecuador and who is currently at large

• anything is a dildo if you're brave enough

when i was little you could still buy comic books w/o going into horrible nerd caves and i liked some of them

when i was like - 7? i got the first issue of Gen13 and loved it

i stopped getting comics around 11-12 bc ive only been in literally a single shop that wasn't grotesque in some way but i got like, vertigo-y stuff as graphic novels from book stores

then when i was, like, 14-15 somebody i knew gave me all of grant morrison's x-men stuff and a DC++ hub thing and now i have a HDD with like 500gb of comic scans

the WoD stuff is because when i was like 11 i really wanted to be a vampire and had a lot of striped leggings and they had the rpg stuff across from horror books, sorry

@mietze said in Intersectional MU* Community - Discussion:

@Pandora my birthdad and brothers live in Houma.

so does swamp thing

@Arkandel said in Sexuality: IC and OOC:

I think to a lot of people - I really don't think it's such a small minority - every MUSH is basically a dating simulation.

100% true

the last time someone asked me to play a guy they admitted after five poses that i was not exaggerating when i said i had no idea how to play a guy

@Pandora said in Intersectional MU* Community - Discussion:

@Prototart said in Intersectional MU* Community - Discussion:

oh good

how the community has suffered for lack of a pillowfort

This isn't even vaguely constructive, let alone mildly.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

literally nothing I've seen of the behavior and statements of the people involved gives me any reason at all to believe this'll be anything more than pillowfort 2: pillowfortier, w the same noxious blend of geek social fallacy run rampant, npd, and lets-play-pretend social justice as a mask for abusive behavior hundreds of times worse and more damaging than anything they use as a thin pretense to justify their shit

i constructively suggest we all try to get their cringey wod fanfic published as soon as we can so they wander off rather than just hope lightning strikes twice

is that better

@surreality said in Sexuality: IC and OOC:

Grar #2 emerges because so many of the guys that do this go on about how 'they do it right' or 'they are too enlightened to fall into those fetishistic traps' and so on, while blatantly ignoring that difference in social conditioning re: sexuality that men and women experience is proof they are not so fucking enlightened as they think.

the new fetish is making sure everybody knows how woke and enlightened you are while you continue to be gross af in other ways and in places where fewer people see