Controversial posts made by Tyche

@Roz said:

@Tyche I am very, very curious to know exactly what parts you think are bullshit.

It's even harder to determine exactly what parts are true.

"Since July of 2015 fans of the game Malifaux have been attempting to overwhelm me with death and rape threats for no other reason than I am a woman who has opinions on the game. Wyrd Miniatures is silent on this matter and hangs up whenever anyone attempts to discuss the harassment. Given that a large number of threats identify the senders by name as Wyrd staff members, I do not find this surprising."

Here's the response of the owner of the company that was posted on reddit.

This is probably the main thread from the Malifaux forums which prompted the above (She is the poster known as Ferossa):
http://themostexcellentandawesomeforumever-wyrd.com/topic/109328-all-the-things-you-want-to-soapbox-andor-have-debate-about-in-malifaux

On it she claimed that...
"Within my local area, I know about 200 women who have left the gaming community due to the harassment and sexism."

Apparently this was primarily because of a single person who made private rapey threats.
It's the sheer exaggeration that rubs me the wrong way.

There are more posts by Ferossa on other threads making comments on different miniature lines which bemoan the ratio of male to female miniatures, the dress and attractiveness of said female miniatures, etc. A constant refrain by her reminiscent of those here by a certain poster bemoaning the lack of persons of color on mushes. One line she complained about was designed by a woman. I am casually acquainted with some of the company's line of miniatures and frankly compared to other companies they are more tasteful and do have more females.

"It is 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 and hands are on my ass and breasts and all over my body. Groping, fondling, feeling whatever they please."

Actually one comment by a respondent on the Malifaux forum sort of summed it up for me.
"With all the things in your list that have happened to you it sounds like you play in a male prison."

And finally these two...
"The prominence of white male terrorism in the geek community is obvious to everyone except straight white men."

"White male terrorism is the white underbelly of the gaming community, meant to terrify and disrupt the lives of those who threaten the status quo by race, gender, or sexuality."

Isn't it sad that people get harassed online for their honest heart felt opinions? /sarc

I'm pretty sure I've attended just as many conventions and events as she has and I've probably played in more than a hundred RPG events. Every year there have been more and more women at these events. Personally, I've never witnessed sexual harassment in the gaming community. That's not a denial that it does happen, just my own observation. I'm sure it does. I have personally seen it in the office, in night clubs and on the street, and not just from "straight white males".

What I have witnessed frequently at various cons is every male head turning to admire scantily attired and attractive costumed females.
I'm guilty too. And if this is a sexual harassment crime, then 95% of men are going to wind up in prison.

@ShelBeast said:

There are parts that, admittedly, seem completely the result of over-exaggeration and/or pure fabrication...
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But, even if the article is poorly written and exaggerated or even fabricated, in part or in entirety, there is a lot of truth to it, too.
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What are your thoughts? Is my experience an altogether uniquely better one, or does it seem fairly standard?

Well I don't really enjoy the line of thought that even if it's not true, it's still true.
Yes women get raped and sexually harassed, however that doesn't make a particular woman who exaggerates and/or lies into some sort of noble hero.
Frankly it undermines and hurts the very "cause" she's advocating.

@Kanye-Qwest said:

It's interesting that people immediately jump to call "bullshit". And by interesting, I mean completely typical.

Someone posted a link to a list of typical responses. Couldn't find it but...
I don't find the argument that if you don't accept the position of the poster then you are part of the problem.
Just maybe the typical response is rationally skeptical.

@Arkandel said:

So this is a thing: Men give men a hard time. It's not to say girls can't be mean - to each other or otherwise - but the level of crudeness in an all-male conversation, which may but isn't necessarily about sexist stuff might surprise. For me to notice a guy is actually being a dick to someone he'd need to take it above that level, right? Because it's what puzzles me, since in my experience (I know, it's only my experience but what else do I have?) men are more restrained in the presence of chicks, not less so. That is, it takes most of my geekfriends far longer to think it's okay to say, swear around girls let alone joke around at anywhere near the same extent - and it's always more civil.

In my experience that is true. It is even more true in games played at conventions where people are even more restrained when playing with complete strangers, including men.

@Apos said in RL Anger:

But it's a lot better than @Tyche who is pretty much like, 'Oh yeah you guys being assaulted is bad and shit but you shouldn't talk so much about it and I doubt it happens nearly as much as you think and your experiences aren't valid. Whelp glad we wrapped up the systemic problems of sexual assault in one curt dismissal, let's move on.'

No I think your summary to be inaccurate.
I suggested that Emily Garland was peddling a load of bullshit.
Not all women.
I asserted that I wasn't the problem.
Then all hell broke lose.
The discussion turned to using twitter memes and emotions as arguments instead of reason and logic.
Then I learned that the only way I could be helpful was to participate in a great societal revolution to
revamp and overturn western civilization and the patriarchy.
Sorry I'm not really on board for all that.

I do have some advice though.
If you find yourself playing tabletop role-playing games with creeps.
Go find another gaming group or start your own.

On a bright note there is great news for feminists today.
I read we're going to put a gun-toting evangelical Christian Republican woman on the twenty dollar bill.
Yeah!

IF men acted like FEMINISTS
IF men acted like FEMINISTS - Hate Mail

@Ganymede said:

@Tyche said:

It's easy. Everyone pays the same amount. Sounds fair to me.

The purpose of taxes is to pay for government programs. Those programs do not distribute benefits equally by purpose or design. Fair tax is only fair if you haven't an education or understanding of basic capitalist principles.

Obviously with the head tax, there will be those who cannot pay their fair share. They could be exempted on condition they give up the right to decide on how that money is spent. So instead of a head tax, we'll change it to a poll tax. It's going to put a much larger burden on the rest of us though, perhaps closer to $20000 a year. But that sounds like a fair exchange. I could go with that.

@Thenomain said:

(Man, when we get the briefest hint of "Return To WORA" it comes crashing back in waves, doesn't it.)

These peeves threads are massive. I just want my "fair share" of peeves.

@Ganymede said:

@Tyche said:

I don't believe a single word he says either.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/02/13/the-wacky-world-of-wu-the-tortured-history-of-gamergates-self-styled-feminist-martyr/

And what of Felicia Day?

Yes I do believe her. Not a whiff of bullshit from her. It has nothing to do whether I agree with her.
However...
"Because odds are 99% certain that those guys on the street who I avoided would have been awesome to talk to. I realize that letting the actions of a few hateful people influence my behavior is the absolutely worst thing I could do in life. And not an example I want to set, ever."

Felicia and I do agree on this ... I AM NOT THE PROBLEM
Does anyone see the difference?

My opinion of Breitbart has fallen considerably after they refused to protect one of their own.

I'm on the fence over that one.

Might want to find a more reputable, honest source of information. Not that I think you'll succeed, mind.

Generally I use multiple sources of information. You might disagree with the point of view or context, but frankly the article is pretty much self-sourced from the person it is about.

@Silver said:

I hope nobody ever makes a thread about ethnicity ever again.

I knew exactly where this thread was going when Cirno posted it.

I think I learned two new terms today..."ship" and "shipper".
I get that it's not about FedEx.
A few years ago when the last LoTR movie came out someone was babbling about how they thought Samwise and Frodo should have gotten together. I asked, "What the hell are you talking about, they were together in most of the movie?" Then when it was explained they wanted to see them kissing and going at it, I went "Ackk!" Now if Peter Jackson did have Frodo and Samwise doing the nasty, I think I would have been "entitled" to a refund or at least a free bottle of eye bleach or a memory wipe.

@Arkandel said in RL Anger:

Although sometimes I roll my eye at how little excuse people need to get offended about assorted issues, come on Old Navy. I mean there comes a point they had to be doing this shit on purpose.

I still have to roll my eyes. Don't they realize how sexist it is to have different clothing for boys and girls?

@Ganymede said in The Shame Game:

Rush Limbaugh's opinions do not matter to you, and they should not matter to others. The last bit is an opinion, but it is one that I will bet you can and would defend.

It's my opinion that everyone should listen to Rush. He's a lovable little fuzzball.

@Insomnia said in RL things I love:

I just love that this is happening. NSFW, maybe? 3D printed clitoris to teach girls about sexuality in France.

Really? I mean it's not like giving a smart phone to a cave woman. Woman have had this equipment for thousands of years and billions of them have figured out how to use it without the 3d models or classes.

@Coin said in RL Anger:

Or maybe, if there are people who aren't creeps at the table, the creeps could leave. That would be swell.

Sometimes that happens. Often it's women who boot other women from the table (or they don't get invited back), because part of the problem is getting women on board with their notions of sexism at the gaming table. But even beyond that, it's been my experience that women are the harshest critics of other women at the gaming table. Reading this forum, it might even reinforce that impression in regard to online role-playing.

All right, let's break this down.

You misunderstand. It's an endorsement not criticism. She doesn't require excuses.

Now sit down and shut the fuck up, you're embarrassing yourself.

I'd be embarrassed to post the above sentence.

@Thenomain said in RL Anger:

Irony and satire have their place, but I don't think this guy was very good at it. It was cute, and his point was made, but it was bland and way too long, undermining the satire. 2 out of 5 stars; would not recommend. Hate Videos are not a thing I go out to explore, but I bet there's someone who does a far better job of deconstructing the problem with Anitian Feminism.

I agree. It's only mildly amusing. I thought the hate reaction was something else though.
I guess people do that. Not only to women on the internet.

This porn star, for instance. (Don't worry, she's dressed, but she is discussing rape.) To summarize for people who are too tired to watch more of the back-and-forth name-calling, the short and succinct point she is making is that the deeper problem isn't being addressed by Anita et al.

I believe they are more interested in holding gaming companies responsible and/or hostage to some cause.

There's a picture of the offending miniature in this article which is an email interview with Emily Garland ( MiniatureGate? TabletopGate?
http://www.vox.com/2016/4/7/11371194/tabletop-harassment-malifaux-controversy

And a woman who plays the game posted the following:

"Being a member of the Wyrd community, I kind of saw this from the beginning. One of the big breaking points, believe it not, was a name. See Wyrd does (or did) open beta testing for each wave of miniature releases. The most recent had a character, a sort of sociopathic techno-necromancer, with the name Lizzie Lovelace, taken of course from Lizzie Borden and Ada Lovelace. The author of the article we're all discussing here had a massive reaction against this name because it is apparently similar to the name of a porn actress. She insisted point blank that it be changed. Now at the time she was just another poster in the community but the point of open betas is for everyone to be able to say their opinion. But the sheer hostility she had to the idea that the name was fine, that it was just a reference to two real-world figures who were big inspirations to a lot of Malifaux's fluff, was quite frankly staggering. This was also was the first time she began recounting many of her experiences. It wasn't a pretty time. It saw the Wyrd boards re-organised, rules tightened, and eventually even saw the name changed (to Anna Lovelace)." - Nightingale

I did not know any porn actress names, but now thanks to the above and @Thenomain I know three now.
Frankly, I don't see the causal connection between tabletop games/miniatures and sexual harassment/assault whatever.

Perhaps with a little more tabletop diversity...
Dungeons & Dragons & Bitches
We can make women more comfortable at these games.

Also, is a video of someone who is actually RL angry.

Speaking of "RL Anger", it would have been better that @Misadventure had started a different thread, because I can't follow discussion in this random one. Assuming it was meant for that.

@ThatOneDude said:

The recent turn in this thread reminded me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GjyBuz2yOk

I don't believe a single word he says either.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/02/13/the-wacky-world-of-wu-the-tortured-history-of-gamergates-self-styled-feminist-martyr/

@BigDaddyAmin said:

But the majority of the Western world isn't living in reality right now, Apu. We lack convictions (at least, my nation does). The majority of the Western world is worried about living comfortably, jerking off to porn, and playing Fallout IV. We will probably just get together, change our Facebook profile pictures to French flag, and vocally condemn these naughty, naughty terrorists. Meanwhile, the explosions will continue.

You might say that the greatest sin is to have convictions.