@alzie I wonder why some people think Mage is complicated. I don't get it.
@alzie SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY (Seriously, if this were reddit, gold would rain down upon your head.)
Now we just have to go through all the published rotes and edit them to follow the rulez.
@jennkryst except rotes are their own rules? A rote is basically a preprepaired spell ready to go at the drop of a hat.
backs slowly away, staring at the flowchart like it might bite
Okay, I now understand why people complain that writing code for WoD MU*s is difficult. Because that is a bananapants system, and whoever is responsible should feel bad.
1e or 2e? I don't remember which is which, honestly, but I know there are some difference which change everything...
sigh This is such a gross over complication. It does not need to be this difficult.
@warma-sheen said in Helpful Spellcasting Flowchart:
1e or 2e? I don't remember which is which, honestly, but I know there are some difference which change everything...
Pretty sure this is 1e.
@cobaltasaurus this is not over complicated at all. This is actually a brief and concise walkthru of creating spells. It looks complex but this is literally EVERY SINGLE STEP you need to take to cast a non-rote spell in 1e Mage. Sure there are steps you can skip once you get to know the system long enough but I still woukd rather have this flow chart than just the books
@sparks this is not something that has ever been coded into a WoD mu* afaik. General a mage player (more often than not with help from other mage players and staff) figures out all the math then just uses a built in dice roller.
@magee101 said in Helpful Spellcasting Flowchart:
@cobaltasaurus this is not over complicated at all. This is actually a brief and concise walkthru of creating spells. It looks complex but this is literally EVERY SINGLE STEP you need to take to cast a non-rote spell in 1e Mage. Sure there are steps you can skip once you get to know the system long enough but I still woukd rather have this flow chart than just the books
It's an over complication and way more information than a new player is going to need. It is not brief and concise, it's a visual mess that sends people not already familiar with mage running for the hills.
@cobaltasaurus maybe it sends gou running for the hills. For me this is a godsend.
@magee101 It doesn't send me running for the hills. I know how to the rules for casting in mage. I have had multiple people comment to me that looking at that image has completely turned them off of playing mage. @Sparks Is a good example of people turned off on mage. "This is too complicated, I'm going back to D&D." (Paraphrasing here.)
I'm glad it helps you, but it doesn't help everyone and it actively turns off some people.
@cobaltasaurus the book does that too. Yoi know how long it took for me to sit down and say ok lets do it! Mage is a game that is going to take effort to play. If that silly picture turns them off, they might not have really enjoyed mage anyways
@magee101 Okay, sure. You're way of playing and learning is the One True Way, got it.
@cobaltasaurus i have yet to meet a single mage player that has ever commented that mage is a simple easy game thay requires no amount of hard work, thinking outside the box and exercises in long sessions of math. Because clearly what I s trying to say was my way is the only way. No what I was saying Mage by design is an extremely complicated game and if a flow chart makes people hesitate or step away from it entirely withiut even opening the book first then they probably would not have enjoyed the tedium of mid-late game Mage. Please take your sarcastic snark else where, like thw hogpit, where it belongs
@magee101 I react with sarcasm to holier than thou people who aren't interested in having a conversation but rather ram their argument down other people's throats. I never said that mage wasn't complicated, it sure does get complicated. However this flow chart is a detriment. I learned how to play it via the help of patient people who walked me through spells in the different situations to casting them: Rotes, creative thaumaturge, ritual, etc.
Without a messy flowchart that is confusing to look at and follow. That flowchart is in no way required material for playing mage.
@Cobaltasaurus So you saying it is a detriment and me saying it isnt, I am the one with the holier than thou complex but you are just being the nice person? That doesnt make sense to me. I think that if this flowchart affects someone so syrongly they hust go 'nah no thanks' i highly doubt they would enjoy the deeper late game aspects of mage. Which thays not an insult, it just is a thing. Some people dont like mage for that very reason. Some people love mage dor that reason. Yet you insisting that no this is only a detriment is just as holier than thou than I am apparently being, at least I am not being a sarcastic asshole to you.
Eta: and where did I ever say it was required material? I said it shows every single step you take in spellcasting and helps a lot more than just hunting thru the books but I never said it was required. I simply defended it as not being a hot pile of garbage that needs to be removed like you think it is.
