Dreamwalk MUSH

[Coin]

@demiurge said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

Pro-LGBT space marines are, dare I say it, a retarded idea.

The fact that you put "dare I say it" there kind of entirely turns me off this entire thing, because it implies that you are indeed aware of the offensiveness and chose to "dare" to offend anyway.

Best of luck, though!

[golgoth]

@coin The Strange: I brought that very thing up in-game. I am debating making a dreamscape to reference the setting.

[Demiurge]

@golgoth said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

@coin The Strange: I brought that very thing up in-game. I am debating making a dreamscape to reference the setting.

Please, tell me more about this setting. It sounds interesting.

@coin said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

@demiurge said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

Pro-LGBT space marines are, dare I say it, a retarded idea.

The fact that you put "dare I say it" there kind of entirely turns me off this entire thing, because it implies that you are indeed aware of the offensiveness and chose to "dare" to offend anyway.

Best of luck, though!

That's fair. I am not here to personally attack anybody, and I don't want to give the impression that I will let people turn Dreamwalk MUSH into Stormfront MUSH, but at the same time, I don't want to subordinate everything to progressive ideological whims, either. There are, to me, things more important than that.

[SunnyJ]

@Demiurge Do your thing, or don't, dude. Defending yourself here will help zilch.

[Thenomain]

@sunnyj said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

@Demiurge Do your thing, or don't, dude. Defending yourself here won't help zilch.

This.

In fact, it usually hurts.

[faraday]

@sunnyj said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

@Demiurge Do your thing, or don't, dude. Defending yourself here won't help zilch.

This.

But also..

@demiurge said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

Please don't transmit anything obnoxious, because if it gets bad enough, banning you might become necessary. While we are in favor of a laissez faire culture, there are limits. Try not to push them too far.

That is really not conveying the same stance you're putting forth in this thread. In virtually every other MU game out there, pushing unwanted romantic fantasies or bigoted attitudes ICly - the types of things you've expressly said you're OK with - would in fact be considered "obnoxious". So players are going to expect you to deal with that unless you clearly state otherwise up front.

A lot of folks don't want to come onto a game and be assailed with hatred and harassment - even ICly. If you want an unfiltered environment, that's your prerogative. But what you've posted vs. what you're saying you'd tolerate is virtually guaranteed to result in dramatic meltdowns.

Create the type of environment you want to see. We're all just trying to help you stave off drama based on A TON of experience with this sort of issue.

[golgoth]

@Demiurge
The Strange:

It is set in a modern-day Earth but the stories are told through a series of recursions, which are worlds based on popular thought/ideas, literary creations, and whatnot. There are thought to be a handful of 'Earth'-like planets that act more or less like anchors, where all of these recursions are tied to these Earth-like places.

Two of the initial recursions happen to be a one where Magic works and you're basically living in a fantasy setting, and another where everything functions under the laws of "Mad Science". I've seen people use Alice in Wonderland as a recursion and even discuss on the side about how strangely perfectly fitting that setting is for The Strange. In the end, any fictional version of Earth is game. Even a DnD Earth.

Character creations is pretty simple:

You have a couple of stats and you basically say "I am a <Descriptor> <Type> who <Focus>s."

I am a <Stealthy> <Spinner> who <Channels Sinfire>.

[Thenomain]

Addendum:

@coin said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

@demiurge said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

Pro-LGBT space marines are, dare I say it, a retarded idea.

The fact that you put "dare I say it" there kind of entirely turns me off this entire thing, because it implies that you are indeed aware of the offensiveness and chose to "dare" to offend anyway.

Also, there are badass LBGTQIAK+(XZMPRgoodlordwegetit!) people out there. If they want to be space marines, give them a gun and get the hell out of their way.

(SPHINX!)

[Ganymede]

@thenomain said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

Also, there are badass LBGTQIAK+(XZMPRgoodlordwegetit!) people out there. If they want to be space marines, give them a gun and get the hell out of their way.

"If they wanna fight, let 'em fight. Cause I ain't fightin'! I don't give a fuck if there's a Russian tank rollin' down Flatbush Avenue. I ain't shootin' nobody. So call me a faggot! When the war's over, I'll be the faggot with two legs, thank you!"

[Auspice]

@ganymede said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

@thenomain said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

Also, there are badass LBGTQIAK+(XZMPRgoodlordwegetit!) people out there. If they want to be space marines, give them a gun and get the hell out of their way.

"If they wanna fight, let 'em fight. Cause I ain't fightin'! I don't give a fuck if there's a Russian tank rollin' down Flatbush Avenue. I ain't shootin' nobody. So call me a faggot! When the war's over, I'll be the faggot with two legs, thank you!"

[Demiurge]

@surreality said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

@coin This.

I know some games have coded things that replace the name with something like 'a quiet male voice' or 'an androgynous melodic voice' or whatever else, too. These can and should not duplicate (however you want to figure that out), but keeping people's contributions separate from one another isn't trivial. You could even set something up that when you actually meet the person face to face in the dream world, you 'learn' their voice, and thus see their name instead of the descriptor.

The 'spoof others' thing is definitely interesting as a concept, but I am unsure if it's one I would be comfortable running with personally.

If you're going to allow that, I'd suggest that coming with a cost of points that, when applied, records who used it and the statement made with it for staff records.

Most people in this hobby are awesome. Some are not, and that smaller group would be very likely to use this for many ugly things, plenty of them OOC grudgewank, trying to provoke OOC jealousy, ruining OOC friendships, or trying to drive players they dislike from the game, etc.

I didn't notice this response at first. But if I get OOC "grudgewank" or whatever else to that effect, or someone is harping on a particular user constantly and it dominates the channel, that will get nixed. I'm just not going to ban offhand remarks to the effect of "man I really want to fuck so-in-so" or "so-in-so is a stupid bitch" on the basis of 'harassment'.

Also, 'spoof others' is not literal. You just write like them. If you do so convincingly, well, people are convinced. Otherwise, they aren't. Also you could kind of just emulate characters to convey your perceptions of them, and if a bunch of players do it together, over time they could become a de facto Jungian archetype of their own on the game, taking on its own life of sorts.

[Thenomain]

@auspice said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

It's terrible that this image does not have the best part of the interaction:

"No. Have you?"

[Auspice]

@thenomain said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

@auspice said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

It's terrible that this image does not have the best part of the interaction:

"No. Have you?"

I know, I know. I didn't have time to dig up a version that does.

But we all know that part, so.

[TheOnceler]

You gotta work that search!

[Demiurge]

@faraday said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

That is really not conveying the same stance you're putting forth in this thread. In virtually every other MU game out there, pushing unwanted romantic fantasies or bigoted attitudes ICly - the types of things you've expressly said you're OK with - would in fact be considered "obnoxious". So players are going to expect you to deal with that unless you clearly state otherwise up front.
A lot of folks don't want to come onto a game and be assailed with hatred and harassment - even ICly. If you want an unfiltered environment, that's your prerogative. But what you've posted vs. what you're saying you'd tolerate is virtually guaranteed to result in dramatic meltdowns.
Create the type of environment you want to see. We're all just trying to help you stave off drama based on A TON of experience with this sort of issue.

That's fair, but expecting a broad ban on "bigoted attitudes" does, as a matter of fact, amount to expecting literally everybody to be a PC progressive not just OOC, but IC. I know this upsets some of the users here, but classifying the attitudes of about half of the U.S. population, or the attitudes of a duly-elected U.S. President, as "obnoxious" enough to be unacceptable in a roleplaying environment is... a bit much. To put it politely.

So, I've arrived at a decision for a litmus test on what qualifies as "too obnoxious": you can't realistically imagine the President (that's Trump) saying it. If it's too offensive for Trump to say, then I'm likely going to ban it on obnoxiousness grounds.

I get the need for some control on content, but too much control can ruin a game even worse than no control at all. So this is a fairly balanced conclusion.

bangs gavel so ordered :^)

[FoxStevenson]

@demiurge said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

@faraday said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

That is really not conveying the same stance you're putting forth in this thread. In virtually every other MU game out there, pushing unwanted romantic fantasies or bigoted attitudes ICly - the types of things you've expressly said you're OK with - would in fact be considered "obnoxious". So players are going to expect you to deal with that unless you clearly state otherwise up front.
A lot of folks don't want to come onto a game and be assailed with hatred and harassment - even ICly. If you want an unfiltered environment, that's your prerogative. But what you've posted vs. what you're saying you'd tolerate is virtually guaranteed to result in dramatic meltdowns.
Create the type of environment you want to see. We're all just trying to help you stave off drama based on A TON of experience with this sort of issue.

That's fair, but expecting a broad ban on "bigoted attitudes" does, as a matter of fact, amount to expecting literally everybody to be a PC progressive not just OOC, but IC. I know this upsets some of the users here, but classifying the attitudes of about half of the U.S. population, or the attitudes of a duly-elected U.S. President, as "obnoxious" enough to be unacceptable in a roleplaying environment is... a bit much. To put it politely.

So, I've arrived at a decision for a litmus test on what qualifies as "too obnoxious": you can't realistically imagine the President (that's Trump) saying it. If it's too offensive for Trump to say, then I'm likely going to ban it on obnoxiousness grounds.

I get the need for some control on content, but too much control can ruin a game even worse than no control at all. So this is a fairly balanced conclusion.

bangs gavel so ordered :^)

Have you, ya know, actually listened to the things that man has said?

[Thenomain]

@demiurge said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

If it's too offensive for Trump to say, then I'm likely going to ban it on obnoxiousness grounds.

Troll will always out itself.

[Demiurge]

@foxstevenson said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

@demiurge said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

@faraday said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

That is really not conveying the same stance you're putting forth in this thread. In virtually every other MU game out there, pushing unwanted romantic fantasies or bigoted attitudes ICly - the types of things you've expressly said you're OK with - would in fact be considered "obnoxious". So players are going to expect you to deal with that unless you clearly state otherwise up front.
A lot of folks don't want to come onto a game and be assailed with hatred and harassment - even ICly. If you want an unfiltered environment, that's your prerogative. But what you've posted vs. what you're saying you'd tolerate is virtually guaranteed to result in dramatic meltdowns.
Create the type of environment you want to see. We're all just trying to help you stave off drama based on A TON of experience with this sort of issue.

That's fair, but expecting a broad ban on "bigoted attitudes" does, as a matter of fact, amount to expecting literally everybody to be a PC progressive not just OOC, but IC. I know this upsets some of the users here, but classifying the attitudes of about half of the U.S. population, or the attitudes of a duly-elected U.S. President, as "obnoxious" enough to be unacceptable in a roleplaying environment is... a bit much. To put it politely.

So, I've arrived at a decision for a litmus test on what qualifies as "too obnoxious": you can't realistically imagine the President (that's Trump) saying it. If it's too offensive for Trump to say, then I'm likely going to ban it on obnoxiousness grounds.

I get the need for some control on content, but too much control can ruin a game even worse than no control at all. So this is a fairly balanced conclusion.

bangs gavel so ordered :^)

Have you, ya know, actually listened to the things that man has said?

Yes. And a lot of them are very upsetting to a lot of people. But I've decided I'm not going to forbid the views of large segments of the U.S. population from having an IC presence in my game. I'm sorry.

[FoxStevenson]

@demiurge said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

@foxstevenson said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

@demiurge said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

@faraday said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

That is really not conveying the same stance you're putting forth in this thread. In virtually every other MU game out there, pushing unwanted romantic fantasies or bigoted attitudes ICly - the types of things you've expressly said you're OK with - would in fact be considered "obnoxious". So players are going to expect you to deal with that unless you clearly state otherwise up front.
A lot of folks don't want to come onto a game and be assailed with hatred and harassment - even ICly. If you want an unfiltered environment, that's your prerogative. But what you've posted vs. what you're saying you'd tolerate is virtually guaranteed to result in dramatic meltdowns.
Create the type of environment you want to see. We're all just trying to help you stave off drama based on A TON of experience with this sort of issue.

That's fair, but expecting a broad ban on "bigoted attitudes" does, as a matter of fact, amount to expecting literally everybody to be a PC progressive not just OOC, but IC. I know this upsets some of the users here, but classifying the attitudes of about half of the U.S. population, or the attitudes of a duly-elected U.S. President, as "obnoxious" enough to be unacceptable in a roleplaying environment is... a bit much. To put it politely.

So, I've arrived at a decision for a litmus test on what qualifies as "too obnoxious": you can't realistically imagine the President (that's Trump) saying it. If it's too offensive for Trump to say, then I'm likely going to ban it on obnoxiousness grounds.

I get the need for some control on content, but too much control can ruin a game even worse than no control at all. So this is a fairly balanced conclusion.

bangs gavel so ordered :^)

Have you, ya know, actually listened to the things that man has said?

Yes. And a lot of them are very upsetting to a lot of people. But I've decided I'm not going to forbid the views of large segments of the U.S. population from having an IC presence in my game. I'm sorry.

Alright. Well, good luck with your game then.

[Kanye Qwest]

@thenomain said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

@demiurge said in Dreamwalk MUSH:

If it's too offensive for Trump to say, then I'm likely going to ban it on obnoxiousness grounds.

Troll will always out itself.

Yeah, that kind of cements it.