What's your favorite MU* client?

[RnMissionRun]

@auspice said in What's your favorite MU* client?:

I miss Potato.

I miss dual input windows.
I miss nested spawns.

Sigh.

POTATO Y U BREAK IN OSX?!?!

Potato works fine with macOS, the problem is the system TCL/TK that comes with the OS. Use macPorts or a similar package manager to install up-to-date versions of TCL and TK. Download the Potato source (not the macOS binary, which is linked against the problematic system libs), unzip it, then launch the app via the main.tcl script.

[Auspice]

I feel like the odd one out. Potato's spawns are the only ones I've ever liked. SimpleMU shoved them all to the end in a hot confusing mess. Atlantis puts them right after the window they 'belong' to which is OK I guess, but then I still feel like I have way too many windows in general.

Potato nested them under the connection they belonged to and I could label each one. Channels get a spawn. In FS3, combat gets a spawn. etc. Everything belongs to a connection in its own, neat organized space and I don't have too many 'overall' windows. For my OCD, it was amazing and I could just ctrl-tab down to them.

I miss it. In Atlantis I have to have this really complicated shorthand naming system just to keep from having too much clutter and I can't have too many spawns or else if I have more than a couple 'worlds,' welp, can't cmd+# to everything!

[Auspice]

@rnmissionrun said in What's your favorite MU* client?:

@auspice said in What's your favorite MU* client?:

I miss Potato.

I miss dual input windows.
I miss nested spawns.

Sigh.

POTATO Y U BREAK IN OSX?!?!

Potato works fine with macOS, the problem is the system TCL/TK that comes with the OS. Use macPorts or a similar package manager to install up-to-date versions of TCL and TK. Download the Potato source (not the macOS binary, which is linked against the problematic system libs), unzip it, then launch the app via the main.tcl script.

I'll try that. I tried the suggestions on the Potato github and they did not work. It just continued to error all over the place.

[Paris]

I prefer simpleMU* after struggling with potato, and IIRC finally did figure out how spawns worked in potato, but I still prefer simpleMU*. It took me a long time to switch out of tinyfugue, too, though. I get really rigid about my client preferences.

[Roz]

@auspice Are you using Atlantis's sidebar format or tab format? All of my Atlantis spawns are nested AF

[Auspice]

@roz said in What's your favorite MU* client?:

@auspice Are you using Atlantis's sidebar format or tab format? All of my Atlantis spawns are nested AF

Tab format. I couldn't get used to the sidebar. It took away from screen real estate. Since I'm on a Macbook (15"), I don't have a very big screen to begin with and I don't full-size windows so I can have things side-by-side (like Sublime alongside MU* windows for note-taking, etc).

If there is a way to nest spawns in tab format, I have never been able to find it and I have tried.

[Arkandel]

@paris said in What's your favorite MU* client?:

I prefer simpleMU* after struggling with potato, and IIRC finally did figure out how spawns worked in potato, but I still prefer simpleMU*. It took me a long time to switch out of tinyfugue, too, though. I get really rigid about my client preferences.

I am the same way but here's a thing; it might be that we're simply used to one interface - after all it's the one we've been using for what, 10-15 years now? - so it's hard to give any other a fair chance if it's different at all.

[Tat]

My issue with Potato's spawns wasn't their organization (although they did take up an oddly large amount of white space), but the fact that you can't move between them via the keyboard easily and more importantly, they are really bad about activity notifications.

[faraday]

@arkandel said in What's your favorite MU* client?:

I am the same way but here's a thing; it might be that we're simply used to one interface - after all it's the one we've been using for what, 10-15 years now? - so it's hard to give any other a fair chance if it's different at all.

I think a lot depends on what features you use and how picky (I don't mean that in a bad way) you are about how those features work. I used SimpleMU for over a decade but then I got a Mac and switched to Atlantis. I've also used Potato. I don't really care. They all have the same basic features for the most part.

[Arkandel]

@faraday said in What's your favorite MU* client?:

I think a lot depends on what features you use and how picky (I don't mean that in a bad way) you are about how those features work. I used SimpleMU for over a decade but then I got a Mac and switched to Atlantis. I've also used Potato. I don't really care. They all have the same basic features for the most part.

Obviously this whole 'preference' business is inherently subjective so take the following with a few grains of salt, since it only reflects my experiences.

I'm not at all picky about the UI itself in terms of say, shortcuts, tab placement or anything like that. I had to adjust going from zMud to SimpleMU and use ctrl+P instead of the up-arrow to find previous commands, for instance, and that was no big deal.

My asks are that I don't miss any information I want, everything I don't want is out of sight, and certain features I do use are present. So for example when I used Ares' web portal recently everything was different - of course - but the above criteria were still met; I had dynamic spellchecking from Chrome, channel or job spam wasn't in my face, so it all worked. However when I used Potato (I think?) I didn't have spellchecking and that was a downgrade in terms of features that having more colors didn't make up for.

The same thing happened with Kildclient. It was otherwise damn solid but the plugin it used for windows spawns wasn't reliable and I missed things sometimes because it didn't indicate (as of a year ago) 'new content' in any way for those tabs, or give me a way to separate inputs between stuff I sent to the spawned tabs and my main one.

[Sab]

I used zMUD for something like 8 years, starting with a cracked copy someone linked me when I was like, 13. Ostensibly the reason was because it had extensive trigger support which was useful for PK-heavy affliction-based RP games, but seeing as I was literally a child with no coding knowledge, it might as well have been a shitty telnet client with some fancy features.

I'm super curious to see what I could play with now, a decade after, but I'm not even sure if I'd be able to find a copy anywhere.

[Arkandel]

@sab Is zMud even still being developed? I remember they started working on cMud (but needed a new, more expensive license) which gave super duper scripting capabilities.

[Sab]

@arkandel Unless they picked development back up, nah, I don't think so. It was quickly approaching abandonware when I was a teen in favor of cMUD, but AFAIK they're both pretty dead. It's been a while since I've checked, though.

[Ninjakitten]

I hate coloured text in my MUing, so I'm very happy to stick with SimpleMU since I already have everything set to black on white, always black on white, only black on white. The only thing I wish I could do that I can't is drag and drop the order of my tabs, and I've used it long enough that I really don't ever need to -- I just put things in order to start with. So I'm probably going to end up sticking with SimpleMU until it won't run, I guess.

[Arkandel]

@ninjakitten said in What's your favorite MU* client?:

I hate coloured text in my MUing, so I'm very happy to stick with SimpleMU since I already have everything set to black on white, always black on white, only black on white. The only thing I wish I could do that I can't is drag and drop the order of my tabs, and I've used it long enough that I really don't ever need to -- I just put things in order to start with. So I'm probably going to end up sticking with SimpleMU until it won't run, I guess.

Text-highlighting triggers are life savers in large scenes for me, just so I don't miss mentions of my character's name in walls of scrolling text. But I don't think I've seen a client yet that doesn't support them.

[Altair]

Surprised that https://beipdev.github.io/BeipMU/ is not on here. BeipMU has been my staple for well over a decade.

[Arkandel]

@altair That's new. I've never heard of it before. I'll need to give it a try, thanks!

[gryphter]

I always used MUSHclient, and still go to that when I need to log or if I know I'm going to have a lot of windows open, but I greatly enjoy the convenience of web browser clients.

[Roz]

@Arkandel just letting down THE WHOLE WORLD with this poll

[Auspice]

@arkandel said in What's your favorite MU* client?:

@altair That's new. I've never heard of it before. I'll need to give it a try, thanks!

I used BeipMU heavily as a teenager. It fit on a floppy disk (with room for logs!), so I could take it EVERYWHERE.

At school? MU. Family dragged me somewhere random but I could get on a computer? MU.

Then I upgraded to putting it on thumbdrives.....

BeipMU is p. great and if you're used to SimpleMU, it's a fairly easy transition.