TS - Danger zone

Auspice

Some people are crazy so you should feel bad having fun ever again.

I do feel bad.
please, tell me what a bad, bad girl I am.

Wizz

Is it an IC romance scene, or two human beings on opposite sides of an internet connection getting each other horny?

I'm in the camp that thinks it doesn't particularly matter if it's both, as long as what's happening is comfortable for all parties involved. I've also always felt like TS was something that could be enjoyed OOC on an intellectual level (ie, "oh dang, that is spicy") and an emotional level (ie, it is very cathartic to see two characters with a lot of chemistry connecting and being intimate) without it being some weird level of self-insertion, or being odd/shameful that you're enjoying it as a person and trying to make something your writing partner also enjoys.

Being ashamed or overly worried about what it means or says about you is what is very weird to me. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Ghost

@Auspice said in TS - Danger zone:

@Sunny said in TS - Danger zone:

Some people are crazy so you should feel bad having fun ever again.

I do feel bad.
please, tell me what a bad, bad girl I am.

gurrrrrrrl if you half of what Casey Anthony is, it's gonna get on.

Sunny

@Auspice said in TS - Danger zone:

@Sunny said in TS - Danger zone:

Some people are crazy so you should feel bad having fun ever again.

I do feel bad.
please, tell me what a bad, bad girl I am.

Are we not doing phrasing anymore? Why are we not doing phrasing anymore?

Guys?

GUYS?

DANGER ZONE!

Ghost

@Sunny What happens on the scratchy green office rug stays on the scratchy green office rug

Sunny

@Ghost said in TS - Danger zone:

@Sunny What happens on the scratchy green office rug stays on the scratchy green office rug

Do you want ants? That's how you get ants.

Ghost

For the record, just in case anyone wants to cross into OOC with me, my safe word phrase is:

"Girl, your area smell like taco meat"

It ensures that the sexy stuff will stop, though it may cause further beating.

Auspice

@Ghost said in TS - Danger zone:

For the record, just in case anyone wants to cross into OOC with me, my safe word phrase is:

"Girl, your area smell like taco meat"

It ensures that the sex will stop, though it may cause further beating.

........beating the meat?

Ghost

New Dangerzone Question:

"Have you ever paged someone your SAFE WORD as part of what was allegedly an entirely IC TS scene?"

Ganymede

@Ghost said in TS - Danger zone:

"Is it sex, or is it creative writing?"

If communicating about sexual scenes we enjoy is considered only creative writing, then why is it considered "taboo" to publish the private sexting conversations between two consenting adults?

Rinel

@Wizz said in TS - Danger zone:

Being ashamed or overly worried about what it means or says about you is what is very weird to me

There's something I don't like about this, but I can't really put my finger on it. I feel like it's okay to view sex as a private thing, and that it's therefore okay to be nervous or even embarrassed or ashamed to be engaging in TS with someone.

I'm not saying that it's wrong not to be ashamed. I just don't like the implication that people who are are weird. Humans have a lot of hangups. Frequently about sex!

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Ghost

The point of this isn't about shaming or discussing sex.

The point of this is that there's a shady zone in regards to certain things on MUs that is generally left in "dont acknowledge, don't ask" territory, and that asking those questions are "Danger Zone"

Auspice

Sometimes I'll think about how fun a scene was.
How heartwarming a scene was.
How sad a scene was.

I never think about the players behind the keyboard, just the scene itself and the characters involved.

The exact same, at least for me, goes if I think about a relationship and how romantic or sappy or yes, even sexy a scene was. I can reflect on how hot a scene was without any regard as to the person behind the keys. I don't know you, I don't care, I just thought the way our characters woke up tangled in the sheets in a shaft of sunlight was pretty awesome.

Wizz

@Rinel said in TS - Danger zone:

I'm not saying that it's wrong not to be ashamed. I just don't like the implication that people who are are weird. Humans have a lot of hangups. Frequently about sex!

This is maybe just semantic, but I didn't mean to say that people who have sexual hang-ups are weird (hello, I am a human and thus have hang-ups!), I just meant the constant over-analysing of TS itself is strange to me and maybe a bit harmful in the way some people approach it, to themselves and others.

Ghost

@Wizz I can share my own interest in the analysis, at the least.

Over years of MU I've collected a handful of experiences. Cuckold RL husband watching TS, accusations of triggering RL relationship hangups with spouses, OOC oversharing, repeated pages asking what my OOC kinks are, being told "I love you" in a relationship sense, plenty of clinginess, hell hath no fury threats or issues when trying to politely exit IC relationship stuff, lots of paging about "always being chosen second", OOC guilting, etc etc etc. The list goes on. I could probably list 20 or so things I've experienced first or second hand.

It's my belief than dozens of MUers can, too.

My mindset is that people could continue to act as if these OOC blowups regarding IC relationship roleplay, the stalking, the baseless forum accusations that omg couldnt be anything but true are singular instances every single time, be wowed at them as if they don't happen weekly, and get really good at staying out of it. OR delve into asking really why that is and attempting to ferret out an understanding.

I believe that there are two camps of relationship roleplayers: People who do it healthily and people who do it to satisfy personal (physical/emotional) deficiencies and grow unhealthy attachments to players, characters, or the need for the jolt TS/relationship RP brings.

I believe that one type of RPer wants to avoid OOC attachment forming, and that the other won't declare what they're looking for because it could lead to being avoided (if even theyre aware enough to understand the thirst).

I've grown to believe that there are players who approach the hobby as a writing hobby, and others who approach the hobby as a form of "Second Life" due to a disappointing RL where character is player and negative IC results are taken far more seriously on an OOC level, perhaps even a dangerous one.

So, you either avoid it and stay in your lane, or you ask the Danger Zone questions and try to identify what it is and find RPers of similar mindset to avoid these trap/bait-and-switch scenarios.

So when someone says "you" instead of "she" or pages you to ask what your kinks are, is it really cooperative writing, or is something else going on?

I think it's a worthier topic in this hobby than some others.

Auspice

I do want to point out that 'RL spouse getting angry' isn't something to hold against the person.

I had that happen. I casually mentioned TS (as a thing that I did sometimes; not like a specific scene lol) once because he knew I RP'd. He LARPed. He'd been an MMO RPer. I figured it was nbd.

Boy flipped his shit at me. Now, I want to say I didn't bring it on the game or say anything. I don't think I did because I got mad at him for it. @Ghost can fact check me tho cause this happened while Cyri and Nitrim were a thing.

Anyway. RL SOs aren't something to lump in with the rest IMO.

mietze

I think someone using "you" in a scene, especially a private one, is almost universally reviled the last time this discussion was had, as something that crossed boundaries even if it wasnt the intent.

Ghost

@Auspice said in TS - Danger zone:

I do want to point out that 'RL spouse getting angry' isn't something to hold against the person.

I had that happen. I casually mentioned TS (as a thing that I did sometimes; not like a specific scene lol) once because he knew I RP'd. He LARPed. He'd been an MMO RPer. I figured it was nbd.

Boy flipped his shit at me. Now, I want to say I didn't bring it on the game or say anything. I don't think I did because I got mad at him for it. @Ghost can fact check me tho cause this happened while Cyri and Nitrim were a thing.

Anyway. RL SOs aren't something to lump in with the rest IMO.

Consider fact checked and agreed.

RL spouse getting upset isn't something I hold against a player, but it is definitely their issue, not mine. I dont care how good or bad someone's RL relationship is. After a first incident of angry spouse I may have avoided that kind of RP with the person afterward because the last thing I wanted was to be some third party online homewrecker in a divorce.

Either way, if anyone said to me "Hey let's not RP these characters as a couple because my RL partner/spouse isn't comfortable with it" I've always honored that, and think that's a great way to handle it.

Ghost

@mietze said in TS - Danger zone:

I think someone using "you" in a scene, especially a private one, is almost universally reviled the last time this discussion was had, as something that crossed boundaries even if it wasnt the intent.

I've wondered sometimes (and never asked, perhaps I should have) if the "you" was because they were knowingly trying to put me, the player, as the target of an action or if they were honestly trying to write scenes from a 2nd person perspective for the reader to absorb.

Then again, maybe thats a part of the problem. People HATE 2nd person but rather than ask why or ask to switch to 3rd, players just get dodged. Which, if that's the case when I did it, technically there wasn't anything noble about me ducking them if they just thought RP was that way. I would be the asshole then, wouldn't I?