Since they said so on TV, duh.
@Thenomain said:
Since when did any lives matter?
I'm a Humanitarian, man. Well, sort of.
As a part of the human species, I think human life is important.
As a part of the human species, I also think humans are pretty much the absolute worse, and am not under any delusion that the world wouldn't be 1000% better off without us.
So then either all lives matter, no lives matter, or the truth is somewhere in between.
When the truth is "somewhere in-between", just how far can we go deciding which ones matter and which ones don't. Just how far can we go deciding who gets to decide. Just how far can we go deciding the criteria.
I have RL anger toward this kind of discussion because in recent culture it becomes a contest into the bottomless pit of self-deluded solipsism. "No, you're being selfish, I'm fighting for a cause." It's like the difference between terrorists and freedom-fighters. In both cases, the lives of people just trying to get by are utterly and truly fucked.
And that's where socioeconomic elitists come in when having a discussion about things that generally piss you off.
And that kind of egotism generally pisses me off.
edit: I think the term I'm looking for, that I hate, is Straw Man.
“If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.”
― Carl Sagan, Cosmos
@Thenomain said:
So then either all lives matter, no lives matter, or the truth is somewhere in between.
I just tell people: to me, your life does not matter.
“It is better to live doing the things that you like. It is foolish to live within this dream of a world seeing unpleasantness and doing only things that you do not like.” -- Yamamoto Tsunetomo.
It pleases me immensely to know that @deadculture is one of those people who feels threatened by an organization that has the audacity to suggest that law enforcement should stop murdering innocent people.
No, really.
Now we all know that he's one of Them.
That is gratifying.
I wonder if he also has one of those rockin' bumper stickers saying "Support Local Law Enforcement", and complains to all his white friends about how black people complain too much.
@Cirno Wow, dude, you're a bit heavy handed now. You were more subtle before.
@Thenomain said:
So then either all lives matter, no lives matter, or the truth is somewhere in between.
When the truth is "somewhere in-between", just how far can we go deciding which ones matter and which ones don't. Just how far can we go deciding who gets to decide. Just how far can we go deciding the criteria.
I have RL anger toward this kind of discussion because in recent culture it becomes a contest into the bottomless pit of self-deluded solipsism. "No, you're being selfish, I'm fighting for a cause." It's like the difference between terrorists and freedom-fighters. In both cases, the lives of people just trying to get by are utterly and truly fucked.
And that's where socioeconomic elitists come in when having a discussion about things that generally piss you off.
And that kind of egotism generally pisses me off.
edit: I think the term I'm looking for, that I hate, is Straw Man.
You know, for a coder, you are remarkably dense sometimes.
As someone on Twitter said, "Black Lives Matter" does not mean ONLY black lives matter, and interpreting the statement that way can be read as either ignorance, malice, racism, or all three.
It's like trying to say that people who say "save the rainforests" are saying "FUCK ALL OTHER KINDS OF FORESTS."
Or it's like going to a Greenpeace meeting about endangered whales and screaming "BUT WHAT ABOUT LOBSTERS????!!! All LOBSTERS matter!"
@Cirno Right, it clearly means "Black Lives Matter AS WELL."
@DnvnQuinn
Watching people purposefully put themselves through all kinds of mental gymnastics to try to purposefully misinterpret the BLM movement is fun, especially when they blather on about unrelated nonsense for several paragraphs and think that will fool anyone but a baby.
Their message comes through, clear as a bell:
I am upset that black people are doing things!
It can be reduced even further:
I am upset about black people!
@Cirno You are really bored, aren't you.
@Cirno said:
@DnvnQuinn
Watching people purposefully put themselves through all kinds of mental gymnastics to try to purposefully misinterpret the BLM movement is fun, especially when they blather on about unrelated nonsense for several paragraphs and think that will fool anyone but a baby.
Their message comes through, clear as a bell:
I am upset that black people are doing things!
It can be reduced even further:
I am upset about black people!
These are probably the same people who think that "/Lazy/ Illegal Aliens are stealing our /Jobs/..."
@DnvnQuinn said:
@Cirno said:
@DnvnQuinn
Watching people purposefully put themselves through all kinds of mental gymnastics to try to purposefully misinterpret the BLM movement is fun, especially when they blather on about unrelated nonsense for several paragraphs and think that will fool anyone but a baby.
Their message comes through, clear as a bell:
I am upset that black people are doing things!
It can be reduced even further:
I am upset about black people!
These are probably the same people who think that "/Lazy/ Illegal Aliens are stealing our /Jobs/..."
Absolutely.
They probably also think the law enforcement officers are doing a good job, and that shooting an unarmed black man twenty times is a cool bean.
People who are against BLM are just....ugh.
@DnvnQuinn said:
These are probably the same people who think that "/Lazy/ Illegal Aliens are stealing our /Jobs/..."
@Cirno said:
@DnvnQuinn said:
@Cirno said:
@DnvnQuinn
Watching people purposefully put themselves through all kinds of mental gymnastics to try to purposefully misinterpret the BLM movement is fun, especially when they blather on about unrelated nonsense for several paragraphs and think that will fool anyone but a baby.
Their message comes through, clear as a bell:
I am upset that black people are doing things!
It can be reduced even further:
I am upset about black people!
These are probably the same people who think that "/Lazy/ Illegal Aliens are stealing our /Jobs/..."
Absolutely.
They probably also think the law enforcement officers are doing a good job, and that shooting an unarmed black man twenty times is a cool bean.
People who are against BLM are just....ugh.
I'm for BLM, but against that subgroup who are using it to segregate colleges and harassing white people for being white (being white automatically makes you racist to some of them). It's a very fine edge to walk...It's hard too to be for something and against something in different ways. Especially because it's hard for me to put my feelings down in writing, it always comes out wrong.
@DnvnQuinn said:
segregate colleges
This word maybe does not mean what you think it means, to misquote The Princess Bride.
@Three-Eyed-Crow said:
@DnvnQuinn said:
segregate colleges
This word maybe does not mean what you think it means.
"separate or divide (people, activities, or institutions) along racial, sexual, or religious lines."
Means exactly what I think it means. There are a group of BLM folks who wants places that White people cannot go into.
@DnvnQuinn said:
@Cirno said:
@DnvnQuinn said:
@Cirno said:
@DnvnQuinn
Watching people purposefully put themselves through all kinds of mental gymnastics to try to purposefully misinterpret the BLM movement is fun, especially when they blather on about unrelated nonsense for several paragraphs and think that will fool anyone but a baby.
Their message comes through, clear as a bell:
I am upset that black people are doing things!
It can be reduced even further:
I am upset about black people!
These are probably the same people who think that "/Lazy/ Illegal Aliens are stealing our /Jobs/..."
Absolutely.
They probably also think the law enforcement officers are doing a good job, and that shooting an unarmed black man twenty times is a cool bean.
People who are against BLM are just....ugh.
I'm for BLM, but against that subgroup who are using it to segregate colleges and harassing white people for being white (being white automatically makes you racist to some of them). It's a very fine edge to walk...It's hard too to be for something and against something in different ways. Especially because it's hard for me to put my feelings down in writing, it always comes out wrong.
There are lots of white people in BLM, though.
I don't condone the harassment, but one should consider the following: a number of white people have been harassing black people for being black for centuries, now, and little was done in the way of prevention.
In fact, they are still doing it. Some of them conceal their racism under a polite mask of pretending to be offended by "tone", or implying that a black person is being "disrespectful", or "divisive", or "offensive", whatever the hell that means, or just generally being as contrarian and disapproving where black people are concerned - disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing.
Academics have dubbed this pathological sort of behavior as "microaggression".
@DnvnQuinn said:
@Three-Eyed-Crow said:
@DnvnQuinn said:
segregate colleges
This word maybe does not mean what you think it means.
"separate or divide (people, activities, or institutions) along racial, sexual, or religious lines."
Means exactly what I think it means. There are a group of BLM folks who wants places that White people cannot go into.
A small question: would this impact the lives of white people in any way?
I mean, a goodly sized number of white people tend to move out of neighborhoods as soon as black people move in, and you don't really hear white people saying, "I wanna be around black people!"
Homogeneous groups become echo chambers of stale ideas and beliefs. Without constant exposure to outside influence, chances for empathy or understanding of those outside the group is slim.
@Glitch said:
Homogeneous groups become echo chambers of stale ideas and beliefs. Without constant exposure to outside influence, chances for empathy or understanding of those outside the group is slim.
But what do we stand to gain from understanding white people? How does it meaningfully impact our lives?
@Thenomain said:
Since when did any lives matter?
I'm a Humanitarian, man. Well, sort of.
As a part of the human species, I think human life is important.
As a part of the human species, I also think humans are pretty much the absolute worse, and am not under any delusion that the world wouldn't be 1000% better off without us.
